I give up. Getting ready to go get our second shot. Asked my neighbor if him and his wife got theirs. Turns out he actually believes the government is injecting tracking devices. OK, whatever. My dogs do have ID tags.

Ron

But are they microchipped!?

 

That's exactly the sort of thing preventing many people from getting vaccinated.

And who can blame them? The media avoids any honest discussion whatsoever on the topic (in the name of "protecting people from misinformation" of course) opting instead to continue pushing the same old "gloom and doom" narrative.

And it doesn't help either that the policies put in place because of this virus have only served to bankrupt the world economy, if anything. It's an effing mess is what it is...

 

And who can blame them? The media avoids any honest discussion whatsoever on the topic (in the name of "protecting people from misinformation" of course) opting instead to continue pushing the same old "gloom and doom" narrative.

And it doesn't help either that the policies put in place because of this virus have only served to bankrupt the world economy, if anything. It's an effing mess is what it is...

Exactly, screaming "misinformation" every time a question is raised does not make for a good discussion. This has become a witch hunt. And how do you know she is a witch? She weighs same as a duck of course...

 

This is your chance to sell them a tracker-shielder... or an anti-tracking device... or a GPS-cloaker or whatever name you think they're gonna fall for.

I think you are onto something. Really a great neighbor and a guy who will do anything to help you. He conducts all his business with his cell phone. Anywhere he goes his cell phone goes with him.

On the bright side we literally breezed in and out. Matter of fact we were done before our scheduled 1:00 PM appointment. So that is out of the way.

Ron

 

But are they microchipped!?

Yes, that's what I wanted to say, they are micro-chipped. Pilgrim an adopted male came with micro-chip installed (Home Again) and Charlotte our 4 year old Golden we had chipped. The same neighbor I mentioned also went and got an EZ-Pass right after I got one. I really don't much care if the government has any interest in me. Pretty sure by now they know I dislike them.

Ron

 

Exactly, screaming "misinformation" every time a question is raised does not make for a good discussion. This has become a witch hunt. And how do you know she is a witch? She weighs same as a duck of course...

She has had her job two months and already knows how to use fear. Amazing huh?

Ron

 

https://dnyuz.com/2021/04/10/michig...ntrol-putting-gov-gretchen-whitmer-in-a-bind/

Outbreaks are ripping through workplaces, restaurants, churches and family weddings. Hospitals are overwhelmed with patients. Officials are reporting more than 7,000 new infections each day, a sevenfold increase from late February. And Michigan is home to nine of the 10 metro areas with the country’s highest recent case rates.

During previous surges in Michigan, a resolute Gov. Gretchen Whitmer shut down businesses and schools as she saw fit — over the din of both praise and protests. But this time, Ms. Whitmer has stopped far short of the sweeping shutdowns that made her a lightning rod.

https://www.heraldmailmedia.com/new...cle_4a541d11-fc55-59c5-9d07-9f862ebf8b44.html

Texas keeps COVID at bay after scorn for ‘Neanderthal’ mask move

Since the March 10 order, however, COVID-19 has been on the wane in the Lone Star state, even as infections climb in places where tougher restrictions remain. Fewer Texans are getting infected, becoming seriously ill and dying than at any time since a surge that strained the state’s hospitals last summer. On April 5, as hospitalizations dropped below 2,800, Abbott said in a tweet that the state had only three COVID deaths that day.
There are a variety of reasons Texas has averted a viral rebound despite doing away with its curbs on commerce, health experts say. Though masks are no longer compulsory, many Texans are choosing to wear them anyway, and many businesses still require them. The state’s move to widen vaccine eligibility early on appears to be paying off. And warm weather in much of the state has moved activities and socializing outdoors, where there is less chance of transmission.

One of Abbott’s top coronavirus advisers, John Zerwas, attributes the drop in cases to the state’s “very aggressive” vaccine rollout, together with a “very strong” public health message about continuing to wear masks, wash hands and maintain distance.

 

Vaccine Passports: THIS Is Where It Leads...

 

Vaccine Passports: THIS Is Where It Leads...

"we now have discrimination down to a science"

No need for useless social activity passports if we 'all' get the shot.

 

is there a way of doing a poll on here ?
I'd be interested in

how many think CV19 is real or not
how many think a CV19 Jab can give them CV19
how many think a CV19 jab is aimed at tracking / mind control etc

Now if we could break that down by country that would be interesting

Out of interest
did any one see today that china say one of their CV19 jabs at one does is /has 3% efficacy against the South African variant .

Id also wonder , may be a poll, how any people think that we will inoculate the world before the virus has mutated to defeat the vaccines we have ?

 

No need for useless social activity passports if we 'all' get the shot.

Let the people decide for themselves! To deny that freedom would be frankly un-American. It took a very long time for Western society to even develop the concept of individual liberties much less guarantee them. And now we are basically being asked to walk away from those very principles. Not good!

 

Out of interest
did any one see today that china say one of their CV19 jabs at one does is /has 3% efficacy against the South African variant .

Id also wonder , may be a poll, how any people think that we will inoculate the world before the virus has mutated to defeat the vaccines we have ?

https://forum.allaboutcircuits.com/threads/coronavirus.166679/post-1591696

I expect the Chinese-type Whole Virus vaccines to be eventually crushed by mutations unless there is a massive scale application to the entire population to nuke the virus with one blow.

 

(1) think CV19 is real or not

Very real, although not nearly as "epidemic" as they claim. My understanding is that it is about twice as deadly as the common flu.

(2) think a CV19 Jab can give them CV19

False. MRNA vaccines do act like little protein printers however which can indeed lead to unintended consequences such as flu-like reactions, blood clots or even worse, albeit rarely.

(3) think a CV19 jab is aimed at tracking / mind control etc

No, but it is being used around the world right now to justify taking people's rights away. Just look at Britain and Ireland these days. They can't even drop in to the pub without having to report to the health authorities! Jesus...

 

there is an interesting debate on the basis of individual freedom and common good.

I'm guessing the question is where society draws the line.

There are many things in life that we accept as a society as a given,

do not Kiil , do not drive on the wrong side of the street, etc.

Others are a bit more "open"
carrying of a gun, what counts as abuse ?

With the CV19 jab, it boils down IMHO to do you think its good for you or not.

Its great that we can have interesting open discussions on this board

 

With the CV19 jab, it boils down IMHO to do you think its good for you or not.

And that's where I dissent with some people. I think that taking the shot is more a social responsibility than an individual choice... also IMHO

 

Others are a bit more "open"
carrying of a gun, what counts as abuse ?

Carrying of a gun also carries responsibility for carrying that gun. While different states have their own laws regarding "carry". Just as an example you may carry a gun here in Ohio with a license to do so. However, brandishing a gun is against the law. In the United States, the term constitutional carry, also called permitless carry, unrestricted carry, or Vermont carry, refers to the legal carrying of a handgun, either openly or concealed, without a license or permit. Some states do not allow for any carry of a firearm.

Last year between COVID and civil unrest in general new gun ownership exceeded over 7,000,000 and again that is just new gun ownership. The FBI was swamped with background checks. Anyway and example of abuse would be as I mentioned brandishing or carrying while intoxicated. Actually carrying a gun is actually not a good example as it is a constitutional guaranteed right which some states choose to suppress. Society really can't draw a line on things which are guaranteed under the constitution. Society can enact laws which govern how certain rights are controlled but only to a point.

Here in Ohio with regard to COVID the governor overstepped his boundaries. There are things he can suggest but not mandate. So "By Order of The Governor" does not carry much bite.

Ron

 

All rights come with the responsibility to exercise them prudently. Freedom isn't free.

You have the right to refuse an experimental drug, really any drug, from being injected into you. But you are then responsible for the consequences.

 

But you are then responsible for the consequences.

Agreed... but also, should one be held responsible for the social consequences of refusing to get vaccinated?

 

Carrying of a gun also carries responsibility for carrying that gun. While different states have their own laws regarding "carry". Just as an example you may carry a gun here in Ohio with a license to do so. However, brandishing a gun is against the law. In the United States, the term constitutional carry, also called permitless carry, unrestricted carry, or Vermont carry, refers to the legal carrying of a handgun, either openly or concealed, without a license or permit. Some states do not allow for any carry of a firearm.

Last year between COVID and civil unrest in general new gun ownership exceeded over 7,000,000 and again that is just new gun ownership. The FBI was swamped with background checks. Anyway and example of abuse would be as I mentioned brandishing or carrying while intoxicated. Actually carrying a gun is actually not a good example as it is a constitutional guaranteed right which some states choose to suppress. Society really can't draw a line on things which are guaranteed under the constitution. Society can enact laws which govern how certain rights are controlled but only to a point.

Here in Ohio with regard to COVID the governor overstepped his boundaries. There are things he can suggest but not mandate. So "By Order of The Governor" does not carry much bite.

Ron

I understood the second amendment was to allow ownership and carrying of guns for the security of a free state,

But thats another question...

 

All rights come with the responsibility to exercise them prudently. Freedom isn't free.

You have the right to refuse an experimental drug, really any drug, from being injected into you. But you are then responsible for the consequences.

What qualifies as an experimental Drug ?
how does a drug go from being Experimental and move to what ?