You boys must be talkin bout sumthin this poor ole Southern boy ain't know'd bout.

Ignorance is bliss, Sam... you ain't missn' nothin' ... trust me, you're happier not knowing...

 

That's my story and I'ma sticking to it.

 

Suddenly it reminds me of the movie “Paul” in a scene Paul makes a comment to Clive about his experience with a Jawa at a convention.

He said “ It was Furry Nice “

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The roller-coaster continues:
https://www.axios.com/coronavirus-c...bad-40f80c91-b05a-4d09-9ef0-03d749c12698.html

The U.S. is now averaging roughly 43,000 new cases per day, a 16% increase from a week ago.

https://webcache.googleusercontent....a9254f4b_story.html+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

Thousands of students and teachers have become sick with the coronavirus since schools began opening last month, but public health experts have found little evidence that the virus is spreading inside buildings, and the rates of infection are far below what is found in the surrounding communities.

This early evidence, experts say, suggests that opening schools may not be as risky as many have feared and could guide administrators as they chart the rest of what is already an unprecedented school year.
“Everyone had a fear there would be explosive outbreaks of transmission in the schools. In colleges, there have been. We have to say that, to date, we have not seen those in the younger kids, and that is a really important observation,” said Michael Osterholm, director of the Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy at the University of Minnesota.

 

https://science.sciencemag.org/content/early/2020/09/18/science.abd6165

Abstract
Children have a low risk of COVID-19 and are disproportionately harmed by precautions

 

https://science.sciencemag.org/content/early/2020/09/18/science.abd6165

Abstract
Children have a low risk of COVID-19 and are disproportionately harmed by precautions

How about the parents, grandparents, caregivers, teachers of the children?

https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/st...ildren-as-the-silent-spreaders-of-sars-cov-2/

 

How about the parents, grandparents, caregivers, teachers of the children?

https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/st...ildren-as-the-silent-spreaders-of-sars-cov-2/

The current safeguards seem to be working at the young kids schools in session. If it's all about the children then it's time for us to buck-up to the responsibility and risks.

 

The current safeguards seem to be working at the young kids schools in session. If it's all about the children then it's time for us to buck-up to the responsibility and risks.

So the number of schools closing due to coronavirus outbreaks after reopening is irrelevant?

https://www.wsj.com/articles/school...sing-due-to-coronavirus-outbreaks-11597700886

 

So the number of schools closing due to coronavirus outbreaks after reopening is irrelevant?

https://www.wsj.com/articles/school...sing-due-to-coronavirus-outbreaks-11597700886

It's not irrelevant because it adds to the knowledge base of how to open schools and the much larger percentage are NOT closing after opening. We can stay scared in the closet from our fears or use science to move forward. I chose to follow the science that says with the proper safeguards, schools for younger children can open.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/15/health/coronavirus-schools-reopening.html

Citing Educational Risks, Scientific Panel Urges That Schools Reopen
Younger children in particular are ill-served by remote learning, according to a report issued by the National Academies of Science, Engineering and Medicine.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/30/us/coronavirus-schools-reopening-guidelines-aap.html

Why a Pediatric Group Is Pushing to Reopen Schools This Fall
Guidelines from the American Academy of Pediatrics encourage “having students physically present in school.” Dr. Sean O’Leary, an author of that advice, explains why.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/09/23/houston-coronavirus-mutations/?arc404=true

Morens noted that this is a single study, and “you don’t want to over-interpret what this means.” But the virus, he said, could potentially be responding — through random mutations — to such interventions as mask-wearing and social distancing, Morens said Wednesday.

“Wearing masks, washing our hands, all those things are barriers to transmissibility, or contagion, but as the virus becomes more contagious it statistically is better at getting around those barriers,” said Morens, senior adviser to Anthony S. Fauci, the director of the NIAID.

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-02544-6

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/09/23/houston-coronavirus-mutations/?arc404=true


https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-02544-6

A few weeks ago, I read another article stating that sometimes viruses went through mutations detrimental to their existence and ended up disappearing. My opinion is that we won't get a transparently clear picture of what has been going on until a couple more years at least.

 

 

A few weeks ago, I read another article stating that sometimes viruses went through mutations detrimental to their existence and ended up disappearing. My opinion is that we won't get a transparently clear picture of what has been going on until a couple more years at least.

In many ways being more contagious and less deadly is detrimental to their existence if long term immunity occurs from a single host infection and leaves the host able to mingle with other hosts. The ability to infect new hosts easily is contingent on the wide availability of fresh uninfected hosts.

 

https://science.sciencemag.org/content/early/2020/09/18/science.abd6165

Abstract
Children have a low risk of COVID-19 and are disproportionately harmed by precautions

Exactly. It also seems that public health is forgetting that "health" does not just mean "free of COVID". What about mental health of the population? Anxiety? Stress? Child development? Cancelled procedures for those very children that need to ensure that they are meeting their milestones? The list is long.

 

Exactly. It also seems that public health is forgetting that "health" does not just mean "free of COVID". What about mental health of the population? Anxiety? Stress? Child development? Cancelled procedures for those very children that need to ensure that they are meeting their milestones? The list is long.

John Moore, a professor of microbiology and immunology at Cornell University’s Weill Cornell Medical College in New York City, said it is highly unusual to conduct pediatric trials before a vaccine had first been proved to be safe and effective in adults.

They are not even testing the current vaccine candidates (outside of China) on children (for very good reasons) so children will be the last to receive a shot even if they are approved for the tested (adult) population.

Understanding this response is crucial when considering the risks and benefits of immunizing children against COVID-19, should a vaccine become available. Of the vaccines being tested in clinical trials, none have yet been administered to children, with priority instead being given, appropriately, to older age groups. The most advanced candidate, ChAdOX1-nCOV-19, is currently in phase 2 and 3 studies that include a pediatric arm for 5 to 12 year olds (NCT04400838), receiving half the full adult dose in this study. However, this study arm is not currently active and will commence enrollment only once the safety profile in adults is more complete.

 

https://fortune.com/2020/09/25/turning-point-interferon-scientists-pandemic/

“It’s a very interesting disease because too little immunity is no good,” Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, said Sept. 10 in an on-line briefing for Massachusetts General Hospital staff. “Too much immunity is really, really bad.”

 

Hi guys!

Originally viruses(these are not bacteria) are cell organisms, which can mutate very fast and it takes 5 years for a vaccine to be created or more. However now a days, infections and such are not really an issue. Especially the COVID-19.

 

Exactly. It also seems that public health is forgetting that "health" does not just mean "free of COVID". What about mental health of the population? Anxiety? Stress? Child development? Cancelled procedures for those very children that need to ensure that they are meeting their milestones? The list is long.

There is this:
https://adc.bmj.com/content/archdischild/early/2020/06/01/archdischild-2020-319547.full.pdf

Lockdown: more domestic accidents than COVID-19 in children

Long-term home isolation due to lockdown measures to prevent the spread of the COVID-19 outbreak bears the potential for increased risk of domestic accidents in children, as an additional collateral damage of this pandemic.
...
Our data show that the number and severity of PED presentations for domestic accidents has significantly increased during the lockdown period compared with the previous year. We acknowledge our results are limited by the single-centre design and the low absolute numbers of study outcomes, with the possibility that small variations in numbers in each period could affect the effect size of our findings. However, we believe they are useful to raise awareness that domestic accidents are posing a higher threat to children’s health than COVID-19.

 

There is this:
https://adc.bmj.com/content/archdischild/early/2020/06/01/archdischild-2020-319547.full.pdf

And this is lifelong impact for a whole generation. There is no coming back from experience like it.

The other question to ask is following - i believe it is clear now that vaccine will not solve this so called "crisis". So for those who feel that hiding and isolating and lockdowns are the only option - this is supposed to be permanent?

 

this is supposed to be permanent?

That can't be, it goes against everything we know about human nature... we need to be able to shake hands with friends, embrace our families and kiss our parents...

Things will go back to normal, eventually. The question is which date will turn out to be the eventual one...