Not having read the entire post train, I'll put in my cents worth

If Cv19 is anything like other viruses,

if it mutates fast , it will tend to mutate to a less potent form,
if it mutates slow, we will gain immunity / gain a vaccine.

The corral to the above, is if it mutates with another virus into a real killer !
imagine if it combined RNA with Ebola or smallpox !!

looking back to the "spanish flu",
it was not the flu itself that damaged, it was the recession of the 1920's that was the result of the flu, that then caused the second world war.

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Here in our weekly mullet wrapper, they think it is a newspaper but we all know better, they claim that after 2 weeks with all the kids back there have been 0 cases of CV19 in the schools.

Why do we pretend in the USA kids haven't gone back to school elsewhere in the world. The worldwide scientific consensus is it's safe for kids with proper controls.

From Wuhan to London to Tel Aviv and many places in between, students are returning to classrooms this week after months of staying home in an attempt to slow the spread of the coronavirus.

Opening schools is a step toward normalcy, in a changed world where the virus has killed more than 850,000 people and infected 25.4 million. Many countries see the return as imperative to jump-starting economies devastated by the pandemic.

Some are taking the risk despite rising cases, and schools are requiring precautions like wearing masks, washing hands, checking temperatures and keeping children in social bubbles.

In the Chinese city of Wuhan, the original center of the pandemic, state-run news media said that more than 2,840 primary and secondary schools, serving nearly 1.4 million students, reopened on Tuesday. Students had their temperatures taken and were instructed in hand-washing techniques.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/01/world/schools-reopen-globe-students.html
Across the Globe, Students Head Back to School

 

Not having read the entire post train, I'll put in my cents worth

If Cv19 is anything like other viruses,

if it mutates fast , it will tend to mutate to a less potent form,
if it mutates slow, we will gain immunity / gain a vaccine.

The corral to the above, is if it mutates with another virus into a real killer !
imagine if it combined RNA with Ebola or smallpox !!

looking back to the "spanish flu",
it was not the flu itself that damaged, it was the recession of the 1920's that was the result of the flu, that then caused the second world war.

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It has been shown this virus is fast mutating. We can see that current strains circulating are already less potent. Current recession is being intentionally caused in the name of fighting the virus. The question is why?

 

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/10/01/cor...-participants-exhaustion-fever-headaches.html

Luke Hutchison woke up in the middle of the night with chills and a fever after taking the Covid-19 booster shot in Moderna’s vaccine trial. Another coronavirus vaccine trial participant, testing Pfizer’s candidate, similarly woke up with chills, shaking so hard he cracked a tooth after taking the second dose.

High fever, body aches, bad headaches and exhaustion are just some of the symptoms five participants in two of the leading coronavirus vaccine trials say they felt after receiving the shots.

In interviews, all five participants — three in Moderna’s study and two in Pfizer’s late-stage trials — said they think the discomfort is worth it to protect themselves against the coronavirus. Four of them asked not to be identified, but CNBC reviewed documentation that verified their participation in the trials.

While the symptoms were uncomfortable, and at times intense, they often went away after a day, sometimes sooner, according to three participants in the Moderna trial and one in Pfizer’s as well as a person close to another participant in Moderna’s trial.

Looks like we're all going to get some version of COVID-19 even if we get the vaccine.

 

Current recession is being intentionally caused in the name of fighting the virus. The question is why?

So you don't think we should do anything to try to slow the spread of the virus?

 

There is a huge amount of action/reaction between doing nothing to try to slow the spread of the virus and total shutdowns that destroy the economic center. We've seen 50 variations just in the USA from state to state. It's IMO pretty silly to make States with low case/death stats like Oregon, Maine, Vermont have the same measures as Massachusetts, New York or New Jersey. With the latest round of infections Europe is moving away from the centralized shutdown approach to a localized and optimized approach similar to states because it provides the economic balance needed for a long term, sustainable response..

 

There is a huge amount of action/reaction between doing nothing to try to slow the spread of the virus and total shutdowns that destroy the economic center. We've seen 50 variations just in the USA from state to state. It's IMO pretty silly to make States with low case/death stats like Oregon, Maine, Vermont have the same measures as Massachusetts, New York or New Jersey. With the latest round of infections Europe is moving away from the centralized shutdown approach to a localized and optimized approach similar to states because it provides the economic balance needed for a long term, sustainable response..

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One could make the case for a per-township approach instead of per-state. Because even within the same state there can be large variations of mortality rate. And besides, a per-state policy would not work well at a state's borders.

 

One could make the case for a per-township approach instead of per-state. Because even within the same state there can be large variations of mortality rate. And besides, a per-state policy would not work well at a state's borders.

Here we have a four level approach that each County within the state can qualify for. Most of the state is in phase 2.
https://govstatus.egov.com/reopening-oregon

 

The question is why

I sincerely congratulate you on your restraint (as evinced by the quoted text)...

Best regards
HP

 

it was the recession of the 1920's that was the result of the flu, that then caused the second world war.

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--Emphasis added--

I don't know that I'd go that far (inasmuch as the 'timeline' doesn't appear to support it? --but then I'm anything save a 'history buff') -- That said, I am in concurrence with gist of your post...

Best regards
HP

 

--Emphasis added--

I don't know that I'd go that far (inasmuch as the 'timeline' doesn't appear to support it? --but then I'm anything save a 'history buff') -- That said, I am in concurrence with gist of your post...

Best regards
HP

I concur. That's why we need to be really careful about saying economic/social stability factors be damned in the task of fighting the virus. The death toll from global conflicts, war, starvation and other illnesses could make the COVID-19 deaths a side-note to the 2020's as a trigger event.

 

The bottom line, is there is no policy to deal with responding to the virus. In US states with a policy, the virus is largely under control. Massachusetts has an R0 of 0.8 indicative of controlling the virus. Some towns/cities are experiencing larger infection rates. And our current policy is aimed at individual communities.

In other states, like Florida, the policy is to open up regardless. In this states, the virus has exploded.

We have recent examples of governmental responses that deny prophylactic actions, resulting in the infection of its leaders.

There is no one policy that is the best. Unfortunately, US culture currently accepts ANY uniform response.

 

The bottom line, is there is no policy to deal with responding to the virus. In US states with a policy, the virus is largely under control. Massachusetts has an R0 of 0.8 indicative of controlling the virus. Some towns/cities are experiencing larger infection rates. And our current policy is aimed at individual communities.

In other states, like Florida, the policy is to open up regardless. In this states, the virus has exploded.

We have recent examples of governmental responses that deny prophylactic actions, resulting in the infection of its leaders.

There is no one policy that is the best. Unfortunately, US culture currently accepts ANY uniform response.

I consider it a good thing that US policy is diverse just like the people who live here. Diversity is usually at good thing, right?

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-diversity-makes-us-smarter/

Using Florida as a standard marker for anything is a recipe for dangerous policies.

 

Using Florida as a standard marker for anything is a recipe for dangerous policies.

I'd consider that state as a standard maker for weirdness... no offense to Floridians in general...

 

One could make the case for a per-township approach

That's already being done in the UK.

 

https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/coronavirus-canada-second-wave-lockdown-1.5748106

Why a 2nd wave of COVID-19 is more dangerous than it looks

Hoffman said one of his biggest concerns is whether Canadians will be resistant to the idea of re-entering lockdown, if it's deemed necessary.

"We know that people are exhausted from containment measures, and my big worry going into a second wave is that people won't be willing to follow public health directives, which we all really need to do," he said.

 

https://www.sciencenews.org/article...jH6sefcB-ph5jqCtPoAWme7lcO55KSprqgc3MM4yfhKN8

A stretch of DNA on human chromosome 3 was previously found to be associated with an increased risk of developing severe disease from coronavirus infection and of being hospitalized. Some genetic heirlooms passed down after humans interbred with Neandertals more than 50,000 years ago are known to affect immune system function and other aspects of human health even today (SN: 2/11/16). So researchers decided to see whether Neandertals and other extinct human cousins called Denisovans also share the risky region.


“I fell off my chair. It was really a surprise to see that the genetic variants were exactly the same as Neandertals’,” says evolutionary geneticist Hugo Zeberg of the Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology in Leipzig, Germany, and the Karolinska Institute in Stockholm. Zeberg and his Max Planck colleague Svante Pääbo report the findings September 30 in Nature.

 

https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/coronavirus-canada-second-wave-lockdown-1.5748106

Why a 2nd wave of COVID-19 is more dangerous than it looks

They will be. People are fed up not only with the "measures" but with lack of clear communication from public health. Some provinces are better than others - for example in British Columbia at least politicians stayed out of COVID arena, until calling an early election that is.

Once again, in BC - homeless crisis is reaching peak levels again, real estate prices have not gone down but jobs have disappeared as small businesses have been forced to close. The number of dead due to OD is higher than due to corona. BTW, the crisis in Vancouver started when mental health institutions were closed to save money. I could go on and on about the disproportionate response to this.

 

https://www.sciencenews.org/article...jH6sefcB-ph5jqCtPoAWme7lcO55KSprqgc3MM4yfhKN8

I have some neanderthal genes but no neandertal genes.

kv

 

I have some neanderthal genes but no neandertal genes.

kv

I am an neanderthal. My wife says so.