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nsaspook

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NYC Teachers Union 'Prepared To Strike' If Safety Demands Are Not Met

https://www.npr.org/sections/corona...pared-to-strike-if-safety-demands-are-not-met
Once an epicenter of the pandemic, New York City has seen cases remain low since the beginning of June, and fewer than 1% of coronavirus tests have been coming back positive in recent days. Public health experts, including some who appeared at the UFT's press conference, have affirmed that community spread is low enough in the region to match countries in Europe and Asia where schools have reopened — with hygiene and social distancing in place — without spurring coronavirus spikes.
 
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jpanhalt

Joined Jan 18, 2008
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@shortbus

I don't think you understand. Just walk into a pharmacy that offers the test and order the test on yourself -- if you think the results will mean anything.

1) The retail price you will pay is outrageous compared to what insurance pays.
2) Who cares what the result is if your are asymptomatic? If your are symptomatic, see a real doctor.
3) Ohio mandates don't take into account whether you are positive, negative, or from Mars.

I have better uses for my money, like steak tomorrow, Saturday, and Sunday..
 

shortbus

Joined Sep 30, 2009
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It seems more of a bureaucratic rules problem than a conspiracy to manipulate results in most cases.
Had to go back quite a way to find that huh? March 25 20.


From your link -
Maryland, Ohio and others are posting the numbers of new positive tests and deaths, for instance, but don’t report the negative results,

Similarly, the Maryland Department of Health “is currently reporting the number of positive cases only. We are working on a process to provide timely testing number data,” the department told KHN in a statement, adding: “We will provide additional information as soon as it is available.” As of Tuesday afternoon, the state was reporting 349 confirmed cases.

Like jpanhalt told me a few days ago, hard to prove a negative. The number of tests shouldn't really matter when all that they are looking for is the positives. To contact trace, which is what was being done at that time.
 

shortbus

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I don't think you understand. Just walk into a pharmacy that offers the test and order the test on yourself -
And I don't think you are understanding me. You claimed test were being manipulated but offer no proof. That's what I'm asking about.

But your right about testing, now since the feds have stopped doing testing anyone can pay for their own.
 

nsaspook

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Had to go back quite a way to find that huh? March 25 20.


From your link -
Maryland, Ohio and others are posting the numbers of new positive tests and deaths, for instance, but don’t report the negative results,

Similarly, the Maryland Department of Health “is currently reporting the number of positive cases only. We are working on a process to provide timely testing number data,” the department told KHN in a statement, adding: “We will provide additional information as soon as it is available.” As of Tuesday afternoon, the state was reporting 349 confirmed cases.

Like jpanhalt told me a few days ago, hard to prove a negative. The number of tests shouldn't really matter when all that they are looking for is the positives. To contact trace, which is what was being done at that time.
I think most of the banter about states manipulating cases in either direction were early bureaucratic snafus with inaccurate/incomplete data being used to make decisions that affected millions instead of actual decisions to skew data. Lots of smoke was seen in the press about manipulation but little actual evidence of manipulation/ falsification was ever seen after the initial charges by any side.
 

shortbus

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I answered such a challenge from you once. You have not responded. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.
Remind me, sometimes I don't understand your answer,or you answer with something that doesn't apply to the challenge. And you have many times not answered me when I ask a question of you like in our PMs. Or maybe there is nothing to back up your claims after all.
 

sagor

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Another common name for kids born this year is "the coronials". I'm sure there will be other creative names down the road...
PS: My grandson was born a few weeks ago, he fits that generation....
 

nsaspook

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Which would work if the federal government didn’t insert itself in the state’s efforts. Massachusetts was unfortunate to be a blue state. The federal government confiscated supplies to punish the state. A sports team owner flew his own plane to pick up replacement supplies instead.
Massachusetts is lucky they had a billionaire willing to spend money in the name of a sports team. The blue state charge is nonsense.


Well, people can't have it both ways.I hear rant after rant about how the feds should have taken control but when they do, then you hear complains about how the feds use that control in some (partisan or most likely typical bureaucratic) fashion when using federal powers.
In Florida, a large medical system saw an order for thermometers taken away. And officials at a system in Massachusetts were unable to determine where its order of masks went.

… PeaceHealth, a 10‐hospital system in Washington, Oregon and Alaska, had a shipment of testing supplies seized recently. “It’s incredibly frustrating,” said Richard DeCarlo, the system’s chief operating officer.

...Jose Camacho, who heads the Texas Assn. of Community Health Centers, said his group was trying to purchase a small order of just 20,000 masks when his supplier reported that the order had been taken.
https://www.cato.org/blog/federal-government-stealing-medical-supplies
Central planning is the wrong way to go for disaster planning and response, as it will make the nation less safe and resilient.
 

nsaspook

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Name me one red state that had its PPE confiscated by the federal government!
From the link above: Florida, Alaska, Texas ...

Massachusetts was just one example, a loud mouthed example as usual.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-admin-seizing-ppe/
Before we could send the funds by wire transfer, two Federal Bureau of Investigation agents arrived, showed their badges, and started questioning me. No, this shipment was not headed for resale or the black market. The agents checked my credentials, and I tried to convince them that the shipment of PPE was bound for hospitals. After receiving my assurances and hearing about our health system’s urgent needs, the agents let the boxes of equipment be released and loaded into the trucks. But I was soon shocked to learn that the Department of Homeland Security was still considering redirecting our PPE. Only some quick calls leading to intervention by our congressional representative prevented its seizure.
In Kentucky, the head of a hospital system told members of Congress that his broker had pulled out of an agreement to deliver four shipments of desperately needed medical gear after the supplies were commandeered by the Federal Emergency Management Agency.
Given the amount of reports from state officials and health care leaders claiming that federal officials seized or blocked PPE orders, and those accounts’ level of specificity and apparent validity, we rate this claim “Mostly True” — with the caveat that the intervention efforts appear to be a part of a broader distribution plan that purportedly aims to get supplies to regions with the most urgent needs.
 
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nsaspook

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https://apnews.com/489bac2e4af8ddc0ea1a745dbf3529db
SEOUL, South Korea (AP) — South Korea is banning large gatherings, closing beaches, shutting nightspots and churches and removing fans from professional sports in strict new measures announced Saturday as it battles the spread of the coronavirus.

Health Minister Park Neung-hoo announced the steps shortly after the Korea Centers for Disease Control and Prevention reported 332 new cases — the ninth straight day of triple-digit increases. The national caseload is now at 17,002, including 309 deaths.

While most of the new cases came from the densely populated Seoul metropolitan area, which has been at the center of the viral surge in recent weeks, infections were also reported in practically every major city and town, raising concerns that transmissions are slipping out of control.
I sure hope SK doesn't lose the containment battle at this stage after such good progress.
 
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