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jpanhalt

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No conflict of interest, right?
"A US provisional patent application has been filed by Duke University on 6/12/20. The authors of the current manuscript are identical to the inventors on the patent application. "
 

jpanhalt

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Plus, we have testing sites that sink test and report everything positive. Why don't the states control that? Money flows because of CARES to states for positive tests. It's like positive feedback on a SAB filter -- it oscillates if your look at it.
 

nsaspook

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Follow the science... unless, of course, you don’t agree with it, then find another article, study, or report that does agree with your “belief” based on their science. ‍♀♀♀
Tell that to the teachers who are ignoring science that says NYC schools can open.
STATEN ISLAND, N.Y. -- New York City’s public school teachers are calling for schools to remain closed come fall and remote learning to continue, citing safety concerns for students and staff members if they reopen during the coronavirus (COVID-19) pandemic.

The UFT Solidarity caucus of the United Federation of Teachers (UFT) union announced Sunday it was calling for support to oppose Mayor Bill de Blasio’s reopening plan and to push for a fully remote start to the school year.
https://www.silive.com/coronavirus/...ush-for-schools-to-stay-closed-come-fall.html
Gov. Andrew Cuomo announced Friday that all schools across the state will be able to reopen in September based on the state’s low coronavirus infection rate.

New York City submitted its full reopening plan to the state last week, which includes a blended learning model. As part of the model, students will rotate in groups between in-person and remote learning. Students will go to school two or three times a week, and participate in remote learning the rest of the week.
 

jpanhalt

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Science says schools can re-open. Look at Sweden. The problem is providing adequate protection for elderly teachers. However, the ones complaining the most are not in that group, at least according to my one source who is in the DC area.
 

nsaspook

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https://www.hindustantimes.com/worl...ident-putin/story-O0jsaC8znG8BbxT5sTGuJL.html
Putin emphasized that the vaccine underwent the necessary tests and has proven efficient, offering a lasting immunity from the coronavirus. However, scientists at home and abroad have been sounding the alarm that the rush to start using the vaccine before Phase 3 trials — which normally last for months and involve thousands of people — could backfire.
Safe, effective and tested on dozens of North Korean prisoners.
 
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jpanhalt

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This situation sounds ominously alike when the first polio vaccines were released...
My wife was a "polio pioneer," which were phase 3 studies of the Salk vaccine (a killed virus) done in Rochester, NY and across the nation. As it was a killed virus, not like the later attenuated live vaccine (Sabin), it was deemed safe enough for widespread testing. She even got a button for being a Polio Pioneer. Since I had already had the Salk vaccine and was considered at low risk, I later received the Sabin vaccine too when it became available.

Source: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1114166/
The polio vaccine field trials of 1954, sponsored by the National Foundation for Infantile Paralysis (March of Dimes), are among the largest and most publicised clinical trials ever undertaken. Across the United States, 623 972 schoolchildren were injected with vaccine or placebo, and more than a million others participated as “observed” controls.
 

nsaspook

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102 days and boom! Shutdown the largest city.
https://www.kptv.com/general/new-ze...icle_d38abaef-aec7-5f5f-9a3c-5a1515b8d6ce.htm
New Zealand's Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern confirmed four new locally transmitted coronavirus cases on Tuesday night, and announced that New Zealand's most populous city, Auckland, will temporarily see level three restrictions introduced for three days starting from midday on Wednesday.
Per CNN:
In anticipation of a pre-lockdown rush to supermarkets, Ms Ardern and the mayor of Auckland, Phil Goff, called for calm, saying there was no need to panic-buy.

Despite their pleas, large crowds of shoppers were seen queuing at supermarkets on Tuesday night, as they attempted to stock up before lockdown.

One video posted to social media shows customers streaming through the door of a supermarket as a security guard tries to prevent them from entering.
 

justtrying

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Science says schools can re-open. Look at Sweden. The problem is providing adequate protection for elderly teachers. However, the ones complaining the most are not in that group, at least according to my one source who is in the DC area.
Here in British Columbia same thing with teachers - a plan for reopening was released and the union is of course unhappy. School reopening is veing delayed now as they are "working out" a plan.

Sounds like they are working on a jail setting:

From provincial medical officer

These layers of protection, she said, include “limiting time with others, using one-way pathways, cleaning more, washing our hands regularly and always staying home if we are feeling unwell are important measures that will be used in our schools,” said Henry.

I fear this will be a final nail in the coffin of Homo sapiens as a social species. Has a coat benefit analysis been done or is it simply too beneficial for politicians?

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These numbers from Sweden are pretty clear as to who is at risk.
 

WBahn

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Another way to look at those numbers is that Sweden's population is about 10 millions and they have about 90,000 deaths a year from all causes. The COVID-related deaths total 5763 which is a pretty significant fraction for a single cause. It looks like their total deaths year-to-date are about 59k and so COVID is accounting for about 10% of the total. In the U.S., the only causes that would top this would be Heart Disease and Cancer. It would be nearly twice the fraction of deaths that are due to all unintentional injuries, three times the fraction for diabetes, and five times the fraction for influenza/pneumonia.

That's not to say that the highly-skewed age distribution shouldn't be taken into consideration when developing policy -- it should, for several reasons -- just that the "low" numbers have to be considered within the context of the similarly small population (there are counties in the U.S. that have higher populations than all of Sweden).
 

jpanhalt

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Another way to look at those numbers is that Sweden's population is about 10 millions and they have about 90,000 deaths a year from all causes. The COVID-related deaths total 5763 which is a pretty significant fraction for a single cause. It looks like their total deaths year-to-date are about 59k and so COVID is accounting for about 10% of the total.
One needs to consider the ages of those who die in a typical year versus this COVID year. If one looks at different strata of the data, of the 5763 deaths, 5134 (89%) were age 70 or more. In a typical year with 90,000 deaths, what proportion were age 70 or more? In other words, COVID deaths don't simply add to the total, in many instances (say in the over 80 group) they are just an identifiable cause of death for someone who would have died from something else during the year. One needs to consider excess mortality.

@justtrying
On the teacher issue, according to my source, those teachers reluctant to come back to work are usually the younger teachers, not the older ones who are more at risk. The reason is babysitting to put it simply. Young teachers have young children. In a typical year, when the teacher(s) work, the children are in school. When the teacher(s) work and the children are not in school, there is a problem. Babysitting in the US is very expensive. Our system of local control in this matter is creating a patchwork of open and closed schools.

EDIT: Here's an interesting link that shows excess mortality for most of Europe: https://www.euromomo.eu/graphs-and-maps
The Statens Serum Institute in Denmark is quite well known and considered highly reliable. I am not sure it is their equivalent of our CDC.

Note that for age 44 and younger, the excess mortality for week 15 (2020) is 71 deaths of an expected number of 1570 (4.5% increase).; age 14 and under continues the decreasing trend of previous years.
 
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