Coronavirus?!

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cmartinez

Joined Jan 17, 2007
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I think I am ok. But please come and visit when this non sense is over. I need help with my Spanish :)

Must love dogs
I don't *love* dogs ... but I do like them, in fact, a dog or two have stolen my heart in my lifetime and it hurt like hell ... I'm more of a cat person. Meet Luca, my 8.5 Kg cat entity:

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As for the Spanish lessons ... sure! ... but I must warn you that I charge three beers an hour. :p
 

Alec_t

Joined Sep 17, 2013
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If the CV virus were on plastic food packaging in a domestic fridge, what effect (if any) would keeping the virus chilled have on the virus life-time?
 

MrAl

Joined Jun 17, 2014
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If the CV virus were on plastic food packaging in a domestic fridge, what effect (if any) would keeping the virus chilled have on the virus life-time?
I have read that refrigeration is not effective in killing the virus. It is heat that kills it among other things.
The recommendation is to take food out of packaging and repackage it when you get it home. This can be a little difficult to perform though in some cases.

Typically people pick up a package to check the price, weight, and examine the contents so it is very possible that they leave a virus trace on the package wherever their fingers came into contact with the packaging.
Supposedly it can live for some hours on plastic, but it is now thought that the main mechanism for transmission is when people are around other people for prolonged periods of time, and that surface transmission is less likely. This might be true because of the infectious dose required for transmission for this particular virus, although i dont know what it is for the current corona virus.
 

nsaspook

Joined Aug 27, 2009
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https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...d-19-was-there-in-december-2019-idUSKBN23Q1J9
LONDON (Reuters) - Scientists in Italy have found traces of the new coronavirus in wastewater collected from Milan and Turin in December 2019 - suggesting COVID-19 was already circulating in northern Italy before China reported the first cases.
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Scientists said the detection of traces of the virus before the end of 2019 was consistent with evidence in other countries that COVID-19 may have been circulating before China reported the first cases on Dec. 31.

Noel McCarthy, an expert in population evidence and technologies at Britain’s Warwick Medical School, said the detection of SARS-Cov-2 genetic material in Italian wastewater in December was “reliable evidence of cases of COVID-19 being present there at that time”.
 

atferrari

Joined Jan 6, 2004
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Yes. I have learned a lot since I started to do work on my house. I am only doing one side so I figured it should match the rest.

I love cabins, but i really do live in an area where I need something other than the forest to keep my sanity :)

Where I live (in the photo is a secret sauna by a lake, not my actual house) View attachment 210111

And where I am from
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It is a bit of a contrast...
Yes but the last one is expensive, hard to maintain and heating an impossible task.
 

NV64

Joined Feb 15, 2019
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Typically people pick up a package to check the price, weight, and examine the contents so it is very possible that they leave a virus trace on the package wherever their fingers came into contact with the packaging.
Therefore, everything that I buy in the store, I process with an antiseptic in the house.
 

justtrying

Joined Mar 9, 2011
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Therefore, everything that I buy in the store, I process with an antiseptic in the house.
I will dare to comment that this is excessive. Main mode of transsmission is through air and it depends on the viral load as well. If it was airborne and not droplet and if it spread through touch, we would have many more cases than we do.
 

joeyd999

Joined Jun 6, 2011
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I will dare to comment that this is excessive. Main mode of transsmission is through air and it depends on the viral load as well. If it was airborne and not droplet and if it spread through touch, we would have many more cases than we do.
I am -- personally -- completely unafraid of Wuhan. I suspect I will get it eventually (if I haven't already), and my odds of recovery are high.

OTOH, my mom is ancient (she had a pet dinosaur in her youth), and she would likely be severely affected by an infection. Any steps she chooses to take to avoid Wuhan, IMHO, would not be excessive.

Everything is relative.
 

cmartinez

Joined Jan 17, 2007
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I will dare to comment that this is excessive. Main mode of transsmission is through air and it depends on the viral load as well. If it was airborne and not droplet and if it spread through touch, we would have many more cases than we do.
I agree ... but my other half insists on cleansing and disinfecting every package being delivered to our address ... whatever makes her feel safer (as long as it's not unscientific) is fine by me...
 

justtrying

Joined Mar 9, 2011
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hi,
Interesting Article.
I wipe down all my home delivery food containers, using soapy water.
The virus can survive on most surfaces for a period of time, ie: metal for upto 72 hours
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https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/03/200320192755.htm
Survive, yes. Will you "intake" enough virus to actually get sick?

On the other hand:

There was another beauty of an article I read today. Someone is going to do a study on neurological impacts of COVID. Now they are going to compare healthy individuals to people who have been in ICU on vents and went through sedation. So why are they not comparing these people to vented patient who had acquired pneumonia in other ways (non COVID)? Do they suffer from neurological impairment? Why compare to healthy subjects?
 

joeyd999

Joined Jun 6, 2011
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Survive, yes. Will you "intake" enough virus to actually get sick?

On the other hand:

There was another beauty of an article I read today. Someone is going to do a study on neurological impacts of COVID. Now they are going to compare healthy individuals to people who have been in ICU on vents and went through sedation. So why are they not comparing these people to vented patient who had acquired pneumonia in other ways (non COVID)? Do they suffer from neurological impairment? Why compare to healthy subjects?
Anyone who's spent time oxygen deprived (as evidenced by intubation and mechanical ventilation) has a high likelihood of experiencing neurological issues, at least in the short term.

I suspect many of these studies -- the outcomes of which are predictable -- are intended to keep the fear at a high level.
 

jpanhalt

Joined Jan 18, 2008
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Survive, yes. Will you "intake" enough virus to actually get sick?

On the other hand:

There was another beauty of an article I read today. Someone is going to do a study on neurological impacts of COVID. Now they are going to compare healthy individuals to people who have been in ICU on vents and went through sedation. So why are they not comparing these people to vented patient who had acquired pneumonia in other ways (non COVID)? Do they suffer from neurological impairment? Why compare to healthy subjects?
Expanding on that a little, a lot of what one sees as "science" regarding Covid-19 is horribly biased and is "one-tailed." The PNAS article I critiqued earlier was one-tailed. It assumed that face mask wearing must only decrease incidence. That is foolish. One can easily envision how it could also increase incidence.

Such egregious errors go back as far as one looks in science. My favorite (because it happened during my life) is the original Framingham Study (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Framingham_Heart_Study ). It started out as two-tailed. When the researchers found no difference in survival between the two groups (those who adopted a healthy life-style vs. those who kept to their sedate over-indulgent lifestyles), they changed the rules and only looked at cardiovascular related deaths. Even that difference was very small. Why no difference before? Read the study.
 
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