My sister is still floating around in the Pacific and now refers to her ship as "The Flying Dutchman". They were supposed to disembark in Hawaii at Hilo but were denied. Then Honolulu but as she figured, again denied. Interesting as Honolulu has Corona Virus cases documented and nobody on her ship (weeks) is sick or has any symptoms. Here is this mornings email from her.

"All my bags are packed and ready to go, but as I sit here at 9:42 pm, it is by no means certain I'll be on a plane tomorrow. Evidently, it is Hawaii's governor who is blocking our disembarking tomorrow. He is capitulating to the hysterical residents of Hawaii who want to turn this into a battle royale.

I'd like to point out that not a single passenger on this ship is ill with Covid-19, while some residents of Honolulu actually are infected, so it's pretty clear to me that we are the ones at risk. We actually have five residents of Honolulu among the passengers who are being denied entry to their own city. There are 442 U.S. citizens aboard, and we have all contacted our senators, representatives, and governors. We also let the no dick governor of Hawaii know how we feel about him.

It's actually a win/win for me - fly home tomorrow or get 5 more days of excellent fun aboard as we steam towards the west coast.

Will call when we're in Hawaii waters and have phone service.



No worries,

Cindy"

Here is what I don't quite understand. How can a state, any state in the US refuse entry into the US of US citizens? Does a governor have power over any US Port of Entry in their state or would that fall under US customs? They are well restocked with food, wine and fuel. You can feel her love for the governor of Hawaii.

Ron

 

FYI Check out U tube. The CDC is posting regularly on there. Lot's of real info.

 

My sister is still floating around in the Pacific and now refers to her ship as "The Flying Dutchman". They were supposed to disembark in Hawaii at Hilo but were denied. Then Honolulu but as she figured, again denied. Interesting as Honolulu has Corona Virus cases documented and nobody on her ship (weeks) is sick or has any symptoms. Here is this mornings email from her.

"All my bags are packed and ready to go, but as I sit here at 9:42 pm, it is by no means certain I'll be on a plane tomorrow. Evidently, it is Hawaii's governor who is blocking our disembarking tomorrow. He is capitulating to the hysterical residents of Hawaii who want to turn this into a battle royale.

I'd like to point out that not a single passenger on this ship is ill with Covid-19, while some residents of Honolulu actually are infected, so it's pretty clear to me that we are the ones at risk. We actually have five residents of Honolulu among the passengers who are being denied entry to their own city. There are 442 U.S. citizens aboard, and we have all contacted our senators, representatives, and governors. We also let the no dick governor of Hawaii know how we feel about him.

It's actually a win/win for me - fly home tomorrow or get 5 more days of excellent fun aboard as we steam towards the west coast.

Will call when we're in Hawaii waters and have phone service.



No worries,

Cindy"

Here is what I don't quite understand. How can a state, any state in the US refuse entry into the US of US citizens? Does a governor have power over any US Port of Entry in their state or would that fall under US customs? They are well restocked with food, wine and fuel. You can feel her love for the governor of Hawaii.

Ron

I tell people all the time not to take cruise ships but they do anyway.

But hey that governor did such a good job of preventing that ship from docking. So good that someone infected with the virus should give him a hardy and lengthy pat on the back (har har).

 

https://www.usatoday.com/story/trav...l-offered-cruise-ships-use-crisis/2876304001/

 

When it's all over I wonder who would want a cruise on Carnival Pandorama?

 

My sister is still floating around in the Pacific and now refers to her ship as "The Flying Dutchman". They were supposed to disembark in Hawaii at Hilo but were denied. Then Honolulu but as she figured, again denied. Interesting as Honolulu has Corona Virus cases documented and nobody on her ship (weeks) is sick or has any symptoms. Here is this mornings email from her.

"All my bags are packed and ready to go, but as I sit here at 9:42 pm, it is by no means certain I'll be on a plane tomorrow. Evidently, it is Hawaii's governor who is blocking our disembarking tomorrow. He is capitulating to the hysterical residents of Hawaii who want to turn this into a battle royale.

I'd like to point out that not a single passenger on this ship is ill with Covid-19, while some residents of Honolulu actually are infected, so it's pretty clear to me that we are the ones at risk. We actually have five residents of Honolulu among the passengers who are being denied entry to their own city. There are 442 U.S. citizens aboard, and we have all contacted our senators, representatives, and governors. We also let the no dick governor of Hawaii know how we feel about him.

It's actually a win/win for me - fly home tomorrow or get 5 more days of excellent fun aboard as we steam towards the west coast.

Will call when we're in Hawaii waters and have phone service.



No worries,

Cindy"

Here is what I don't quite understand. How can a state, any state in the US refuse entry into the US of US citizens? Does a governor have power over any US Port of Entry in their state or would that fall under US customs? They are well restocked with food, wine and fuel. You can feel her love for the governor of Hawaii.

Ron

You do know that the ship itself is likely NOT a US ship? The cruise industry does that to avoid US taxes. Thus, the US governor is denying access to a foreign vessel, which makes more sense.

 

My sister is still floating around in the Pacific and now refers to her ship as "The Flying Dutchman". They were supposed to disembark in Hawaii at Hilo but were denied. Then Honolulu but as she figured, again denied. Interesting as Honolulu has Corona Virus cases documented and nobody on her ship (weeks) is sick or has any symptoms. Here is this mornings email from her.

"All my bags are packed and ready to go, but as I sit here at 9:42 pm, it is by no means certain I'll be on a plane tomorrow. Evidently, it is Hawaii's governor who is blocking our disembarking tomorrow. He is capitulating to the hysterical residents of Hawaii who want to turn this into a battle royale.

I'd like to point out that not a single passenger on this ship is ill with Covid-19, while some residents of Honolulu actually are infected, so it's pretty clear to me that we are the ones at risk. We actually have five residents of Honolulu among the passengers who are being denied entry to their own city. There are 442 U.S. citizens aboard, and we have all contacted our senators, representatives, and governors. We also let the no dick governor of Hawaii know how we feel about him.

It's actually a win/win for me - fly home tomorrow or get 5 more days of excellent fun aboard as we steam towards the west coast.

Will call when we're in Hawaii waters and have phone service.



No worries,

Cindy"

Here is what I don't quite understand. How can a state, any state in the US refuse entry into the US of US citizens? Does a governor have power over any US Port of Entry in their state or would that fall under US customs? They are well restocked with food, wine and fuel. You can feel her love for the governor of Hawaii.

Ron

Here is an article about a family from Hawaii which may or may not be able to get off a cruise ship. Maybe the same one?

https://www.staradvertiser.com/2020...home-sunday-but-may-not-be-able-to-disembark/

 

https://www.foxnews.com/world/china-exonerates-doctor-reprimanded-for-warning-of-virus

It also said a “solemn apology" had been issued to Li's family and that two police officers, identified only by their surnames, had been issued “disciplinary punishments" for the original handling of the matter.

 

Can you say "Save Face"?!?!

 

Can you say "Save Face"?!?!

I can assure you, the police officers did nothing but follow crystal clear guidelines, and now they're paying for it. It's the guidelines they should be apologizing for, not the cops.

 

This excellent book also sounded a warning bell that was largely ignored.

https://www.amazon.com/Great-Influenza-Deadliest-Pandemic-History/dp/0143036491

My take away was that it was just a matter of time until we were seriously screwed.

Frankly, we’re going to get off easy with Wuhan. Very easy. Two million dead in the U.S. will be a trifle compared to, say, a 30% kill rate or 100 million. Such a high kill rate is certainly possible and it’s just luck that Wuhan is not there. People would be more inclined to action but I don’t think we’d really do much better at containment even if Wuhan was far more deadly.

We have far fewer hospital beds per capita than we had a century ago. Even this “mild” virus is going to overwhelm the system.

There is a fair amount of information on this, all ignored. Question is whether we will learn from this experience. I highly doubt it.

 

The ultimate sacrifice.
https://www.atlasobscura.com/places/eyam-plague-village-museum
Max.

 

https://www.usatoday.com/story/trav...l-offered-cruise-ships-use-crisis/2876304001/

Sounds like a good idea for low level isolation camps for non-criticals.

 

You do know that the ship itself is likely NOT a US ship? The cruise industry does that to avoid US taxes. Thus, the US governor is denying access to a foreign vessel, which makes more sense.

Even if I look at it that way the Hawaii Governor is denying entry into the US of something like 565 US citizens who have been at sea over 2 weeks and none of them exhibit any signs of illness let alone COVOID 19. So my question is does a Governor have that power? This ship is Netherlands registered. International law requires that every ship be registered in a country, called its flag state. A ship is subject to the law of its flag state. Maybe some remember how many freighters are Panama registered. I think more than taxes it's about laws including safety standards. Panama was known for lax laws in ship registry. Thinking about it further can a State Governor refuse landing rights to a plane because it is of foreign registry?

Anyway they even offered to shuttle the US citizens ashore but nope.

Here is an article about a family from Hawaii which may or may not be able to get off a cruise ship. Maybe the same one?

https://www.staradvertiser.com/2020...home-sunday-but-may-not-be-able-to-disembark/

Actually on board are four families from Hawaii and even they could not go ashore. They were scheduled to disembark in Hawaii. Go figure?

As to my sister? She is just tired of changing reservations but is content. She says the passengers are making the best of things. When these people went on the cruise there was no virus big deal so like many they were just stuck with it. Believe me as long as the stock of good wine holds out Cindy will be a happy girl.

Ron

 

Here is an article about a family from Hawaii which may or may not be able to get off a cruise ship. Maybe the same one?

https://www.staradvertiser.com/2020...home-sunday-but-may-not-be-able-to-disembark/

It's pretty obvious they should be able to disembark at their home of record. If they don't want the ship in port the CG or US Navy can send a boat to pick them up.

 

Even if I look at it that way the Hawaii Governor is denying entry into the US of something like 565 US citizens who have been at sea over 2 weeks and none of them exhibit any signs of illness let alone COVOID 19. So my question is does a Governor have that power?

The Governor has the constitutional (States are semi-sovereign republics) power to totally lockdown (hold in place order) an entire state like California, so yes, they do have that power in an emergency.

 

It's pretty obvious they should be able to disembark at their home of record. If they don't want the ship in port the CG or US Navy can send a boat to pick them up.

That's what I would have thought. Well, last I knew they were still off Hawaii before starting a 5 day cruise to the mainland US. Originally San Diego was the scheduled return. Never thought a state governor could wield such power. Man, I want to be a governor.

Ron

 

That's what I would have thought. Well, last I knew they were still off Hawaii before starting a 5 day cruise to the mainland US. Originally San Diego was the scheduled return. Never thought a state governor could wield such power. Man, I want to be a governor.

Ron

We are just a few steps below some level of Federal Martial Law today.

The President shall be Commander in Chief...of the Militia of the several States, when called into the actual Service of the United States....
In 1957:

In 1957, resisting a federal court order, Governor Orval Faubus ordered portions of the Arkansas National Guard to prevent the entrance of black students into Little Rock Central High School. In the first use of the guard to maintain internal order since the Civil War, President Dwight Eisenhower placed the entire Arkansas National Guard under presidential control and ordered the guard to obey the president and not the governor. The Arkansas National Guard complied.

https://www.heritage.org/constitution/#!/articles/2/essays/87/commander-of-militia

Then the President can override a Governor's order to exclude what's considered a clear and present danger. Until that happens they are close to absolute rulers within a state in a declared national emergency.

 

The President shall be Commander in Chief...of the Militia of the several States, when called into the actual Service of the United States....
In 1957

those were dark times indeed...

 

We are just a few steps below some level of Federal Martial Law today.

That thought has crossed my mind. Scary isn't it?

Ron