Here in San Francisco, we've been having car breakins for years and thieves have been stealing computers and GPS navigators. Lately, however, they're been just stealing toilet paper and leaving the electronics behind.

Wow, tell them to go to Amazon, where i just put up some used toilet paper. Plenty for everyone but the price has been going up sky high all over the internet...

 

I don't know about smoking... I guess that varies from state to state....

I can't imagine a textile product so friable as 'toilet paper' (genteelly, 'bath tissue') functioning satisfactorily as substitute for 'Zig Zag' or 'Top' 'ciggy rolling papers' (as an aside, now I've got to wonder - could said products be "ZZ Top"'s namesake?) but then being neither a smoker nor a Texan I'm out of my perview on both counts...

but people are still allowed to sneeze in their vehicles, isn't that right?

Yebut facial tissues (e.g. Kleenex, etc) somehow seem more appropriate (read: less emetic) even if equally practical...

TTFN
HP

 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/u...pandemic-and-widespread-shortages/ar-BB11ktjA

A federal government plan to combat the coronavirus warned policymakers last week that a pandemic “will last 18 months or longer” and could include “multiple waves,” resulting in widespread shortages that would strain consumers and the nation’s health care system.

 

The company I work for just shut down. My medical insurance expires 3/31. Stores all over town are closed. This is horrible.

 

Whaaaa? .... I don't know about smoking... I guess that varies from state to state.... but people are still allowed to sneeze in their vehicles, isn't that right?

As long as you do it the right way.

 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/u...pandemic-and-widespread-shortages/ar-BB11ktjA

A federal government plan to combat the coronavirus warned policymakers last week that a pandemic “will last 18 months or longer” and could include “multiple waves,” resulting in widespread shortages that would strain consumers and the nation’s health care system.

I guess if it mutates even those who survive the first round become victims on the second or third plus we might see an incline with younger people previously not affected will become ill as well, this is sounding more like the Spanish Flu again, is it true or is there no evidence for such a case?


kv

Edit: I guess the U.S. has declared war on the Virus and saying it is no longer just an older persons issue, that it is also a younger people who are going to hospitals.

 

https://www.mediaite.com/news/trump...d-from-barack-obama-erasing-nearly-all-gains/
I actually went and read this. I'll remind you of something,,,, Peter Strzok's "Insurance Policy".
No matter what he's done ….it's always bad. Can't nobody be that bad.....Ever. Every move you make...Your a monster.

Brzrkr

You really need to find your TV remote so you can change channels. No one ever called him a monster.... conman yes, monster no. He is even worse than imagined.

Please PM me to explain how Peter Strzok was able to manipulate the stock market?

 

I guess if it mutates even those who survive the first round become victims on the second or third plus we might see an incline with younger people previously not affected will become ill as well, this is sounding more like the Spanish Flu again, is it true or is there no evidence for such a case?


kv

Edit: I guess the U.S. has declared war on the Virus and saying it is no longer just an older persons issue, that it is also a younger people who are going to hospitals.

Younger is relative. What we are seeing is more ~40-50 year olds in Italy being infected and those with weaker immune systems going to hospitals. We don't see most of them on ventilators like the elderly and frail and we don't see many deaths per the Italian data in these 'younger people who are going to hospitals' media stories originated from.

https://www.epicentro.iss.it/corona...eglianza-integrata-COVID-19_12-marzo-2020.pdf

https://www.repubblica.it/cronaca/2...e_psicosi_ma_tutti_restino_a_casa_-250792425/

To get a clear idea, the only one is to study the official data released daily by the Civil Protection that tell who is affected by Covid-19. Statistics explain that only 1 percent of sufferers under 60 die from this infection. From yesterday's count we learn that the total infected are at this point 7,985 (+1,598 compared to Sunday), 463 the dead (+97) and 724 the healed (+102). Analysis of the age of the victims tells that 10 percent of the patients were between 60 and 69 years old; 31 percent from 70 to 79 years old; 44 percent from 80 to 89 years old; 14 percent over 90 years old. Data that are also confirmed at the Lombard level, the hardest trench of the coronavirus: out of the 282 infected (585 more than yesterday), 646 were discharged, 333 died. And here too, young people are the least affected. Here, rather, what is striking is the fact that it concerns adults: a third of the hospitalized are middle-aged people. So, not old people. The Lombardy regional councilor Giulio Gallera confirms that 22 percent of those in intensive care in Lombardy are over 75 years old, 37 percent are between 65 and 74 and 8 percent between 25 and 49 years old. there are no inpatients. There are no patients under 25 years old.

The data from Veneto are also clear: there is no hospitalization under 24 years, while in the age group between 25 and 44 there are 9 hospitalizations, two of which are in intensive care. In Veneto, too, there is a problem for adults: between 45 and 64 years of hospitalization are 70, of which 16 in intensive care. Then we move on to the elderly: between 65 and 74 years hospitalizations are 45, of which 14 in intensive care; between 75 and 84 years hospitalizations are 76 (18 in intensive care), and over 85 years hospitalizations are 37 (one in intensive care). The data reassure parents of boys and children, although all doctors point out that the youngest ones can be asymptomatic, therefore very dangerous for the infection of grandparents.

Google translate.

 

And just how is that supposed to work?

Almost no one can sit in their home with no gas or electricity and live off the food and water they have stored away for 20 days.

What if they have an emergency, such as a heart attack or a home fire?

How are you going to deal with these things if you've shut down the global economy?

So are grocery stores then going to be allowed to stay open in this shutdown economy?

Stores typically have just three days of food (and other things) in stock. They rely on continuous deliveries of most things, in some cases daily.

The warehouses in a given city generally do not have a significantly larger stockpile of things -- a week or two. They rely on lots of truck and rail shipments on a continuous basis. So lots of things need to come into the metropolitan area well within your 20 day time span.

So who's going to work in the stores and deliver the goods to the stores and load the trucks and the trains?

How are those people going to get to and from work? Oh, does that mean that gas stations get to remain open, too.

Who's going to look after the small kids that many of those workers have? Oh, does that mean that day care facilities get to remain open, too?

Who's going to generate the electricity? What are they going to generate it with? A fairly small (200 MW scale) coal-fired plant consumes about a full train load of coal each week.

So someone that lives of their rental properties has to go without any income for your 20 days, but they still have to pay the people they employ and make their own mortgage payments (though just not the interest portion). Do they still have to pay their property taxes? Their insurance payments?

At the end of the 20 days is the entire global economy supposed to just start up right where it left off?

Total lockdown is coming to your state.
A little bit too late.

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/heal...control-san-francisco-eases-lockdown-n1163376

City health officials, who initially told marijuana dispensaries that they had to close, mellowed their stance late Tuesday and said cannabis products were an essential medicine that justified the shops' staying open.

 

Total lockdown is coming to your state.
A little bit too late.

My worry is not 'A little bit too late', it's that Total lockdown can't be effective as a interim solution in reducing R to something we can eventually live with until an effective vaccine is found and mass produced 18 months from now. Our society will make the decision to accept much higher levels of death and sickness to prevent a total economic collapse.

 

My worry is not 'A little bit too late', it's that Total lockdown can't be effective as a interim solution in reducing R to something we can eventually live with until an effective vaccine is found and mass produced 18 months from now. Our society will make the decision to accept much higher levels of death and sickness to prevent a total economic collapse.

Maybe true but the purpose of total lockdown is to bring new cases to a trickle to allow health care systems to be able to cope.

 

Maybe true but the purpose of total lockdown is to bring new cases to a trickle to allow health care systems to be able to cope.

Sure but we all know that's a crock as a long term solution if the expected scenario plays out as it is in China already with cases spiking up again. Cases will reduce, controls will be relaxed, more infected, another lockdown, repeat. Eventually most people will say screw it. Herd Immunity and/or an effective vaccine are the only real solutions. My problem with total lockdown is we are spending economic fuel at a vast rate while obtaining low rates of Herd Immunity in the healthiest groups because we are using total lockdowns instead of selective lockdowns of the elderly and frail.

 

I don't see any numbers indicating a renew spike in China.

New Cases
China +34
Spain +2626
Germany + 1652
USA +1508

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

 

I don't see any numbers indicating a renew spike in China.

New Cases
China +34
Spain +2626
Germany + 1652
USA +1508

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

The reports are from China. As they reduced lockdowns cases started to increase. I'm pretty sure they cranked back down pretty quickly to control it.
https://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/china-coronavirus-infections-spike-in-central-city-of-wuhan-152721

Mainland China reported a rise in new confirmed cases of coronavirus on March 5, reversing three straight days of declines, because of a spike in new infections in Wuhan, the city at the centre of the outbreak.

Mainland China had 139 new confirmed cases as of March 4, the National Health Commission (NHC) said, bringing the total accumulated number of cases to 80,409. Authorities reported 119 new cases the previous day and 125 the day before that.

The increase was driven by more cases in Wuhan, the provincial capital of Hubei, where the virus is believed to have emerged in a market late last year.

 

I don't see any numbers indicating a renew spike in China.

china has clamped down on news reporters who dispute the Communist Party line of propaganda to save face. They have DEFEATED the biological attack on their country by the White Devils of the US.

 

US and Canada are not doing their testing. Confirming that people are infact infected is key. I dont see any of this happening

https://www.newscientist.com/article/2237544-who-expert-we-need-more-testing-to-beat-coronavirus/

 

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/19/ban...bs-will-be-lost-wealth-will-be-destroyed.html

Bank of America warned investors on Thursday that a coronavirus-induced recession is no longer avoidable — it’s already here.

“We are officially declaring that the economy has fallen into a recession ... joining the rest of the world, and it is a deep plunge,” Bank of America U.S. economist Michelle Meyer wrote in a note. “Jobs will be lost, wealth will be destroyed and confidence depressed.”

The firm expects the economy to “collapse” in the second quarter, shrinking by 12%. GDP for the full year will contract by 0.8%, it said.

Bank of America looked at the labor market as a way to understand the “magnitude of the economic shock.” The firm expects the unemployment rate to nearly double, with roughly 1 million jobs lost each month of the second quarter for a total of 3.5 million.

 

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/19/ban...bs-will-be-lost-wealth-will-be-destroyed.html

This is bad, bad, bad... we have a saying down here that goes "When the US catches a cold, Mexico gets pneumonia"... Better be prepared for the worst

 

china has clamped down on news reporters who dispute the Communist Party line of propaganda to save face. They have DEFEATED the biological attack on their country by the White Devils of the US.

I believe they might have the Tiger By the Tail but it's not defeated.

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/soc...c-coronavirus-cases-china-first-time-epidemic

Public health experts warned against premature celebrations after mainland China reported no new domestic Covid-19 infections, warning a second wave could break out any time.
The National Health Commission said on Thursday that all of the 34 new infections reported the previous day had been imported cases – the first time this has happened since the coronavirus that causes the disease emerged.
...
“I think it is too early to celebrate. It is likely that a second wave has already started in China, but it may be too early to detect it at the moment,” said Ben Cowling, professor of epidemiology at the University of Hong Kong School of Public Health.

https://www.chinadaily.com.cn/a/202003/18/WS5e71f6a8a3101282172802bf.html

Although the number of imported cases each day is much smaller than the number of new infections outside China — of which there were nearly 11,000 on Tuesday, the country will by no means ignore the painful lesson it has learned that a single spark can start a prairie fire.