Doctors in South Africa say the new variant and its 30 mutations began in many unvaccinated students in a university there.
Hospitals all over the world are getting the new variant in unvaccinated people who admit that they recently returned from a trip to South Africa. Now some countries are banning travelling and mandating masks again.

Pfizer says they are testing their vaccine on the new variant and will tweak the vaccine if needed. The tweaking will be distributed within 100 days. Antivaxxers will say the tweaking puts more magnets and nuclear radiation in the vaccine and will produce less fertility for vaccinated people. The antivax lies keep repeating.

 

Doctors in South Africa say the new variant and its 30 mutations began in many unvaccinated students in a university there.
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If it is not too much trouble, please provide a reference for these assertions.

I am amazed at how controversial this topic is, it is my hope that the various considerations can congeal into a credible explanation of what is going on and why. After all, we are all in this together.

 

Do yourself a favor: go 50 seconds into this video and note the "very strange coincidence".

Ivermectin was a Japanese discovery. Note the connection with Africa where it is used as an anti-marlrial drug (not just a "horse de-wormer").

I like his videos but:
There is zero evidence Ivermectin was responsible for the reduction in Japan's covid-19 cases. Virus mutations out of existance are at least based in science even if the evidence is sparse.

 

I like his videos but:
There is zero evidence Ivermectin was responsible for the reduction in Japan's covid-19 cases. Virus mutations out of existance are at least based in science even if the evidence is sparse.

From what I understand so far, there is zilch evidence out there supporting the claim that ivermectin actually prevents CV19. Ivermectin is not an antiviral drug, period.

BUT... The only thing that's kept me on the fence on this one is a report that I read a while ago saying that CV19's symptoms and the human body's reactions are very similar to being poisoned by a snake bite. And that ivermectin trains the metabolism in such a way (statistically) so that its reaction to CV19 won't be too extreme. That is, the report claimed that ivermectin reduced the chances of CV19 being too severe on the patient. But the caveat is that the drug should be taken prior to the body being infected. Once infected, taking said drug would be harmful since it could strain the body even further.

But now the situation has changed, since objectively proven and well-tested vaccines are widely available now, and taking ivermectin makes no sense anymore no matter how one sees it.

 

If it is not too much trouble, please provide a reference for these assertions.

I am amazed at how controversial this topic is, it is my hope that the various considerations can congeal into a credible explanation of what is going on and why. After all, we are all in this together.

News about the new South African variant is coming in faster than I can record if it comes from CBC or CNN.
Everybody knows that Africa has few vaccinated people which is why many countries say to postpone booster vaccinations until Africa and other places get their first and second vaccinations. Canada and a few other countries donated vaccines there.
Here is one link I copied: https://www.msn.com/en-ca/health/me...onavirus-variant/ar-AARc0DG?ocid=winp1taskbar

We are not here together. There are two groups, vaccinated and unvaccinated. Many healthy vaccinated people are on this forum and maybe 25% who are unvaccinated are passing the virus around and keeping it affecting everybody in the world.
In my parts of Canada, 87% of eligible people are fully vaccinated. In the cowboys parts of North America hardly anybody is vaccinated and their hospitals are overloaded and sending their patients here.
"The vaccines are safe and effective. Get vaccinated now."

 

Thank you for the link, it contains some things I had not known about.

We are not here together. There are two groups, vaccinated and unvaccinated.

Clearly you are having some success at widening that gap. Congratulations.

 

The unvaccinated people in my part and many other parts of the world are shrinking because the antivaxxers are being vaccinated like all the medical people are telling them to do.
The virus is killing "only" millions of unvaccinated people, not billions of them.
The billions of little kids are now being vaccinated and narrowing the gap.

I think unvaccinated people are now seeing expensive and miserable hospital treatment for unvaccinated people who are more likely to catch the virus compared to having mild symptoms at home for vaccinated people who are less likely to catch the virus.

The now healthy Japanese people and Africans with HIV are showing scientists that race and culture might affect if a person catches the virus and how sick it makes them.

 

Do yourself a favor: go 50 seconds into this video and note the "very strange coincidence".

I'd ask you then to do yourself a favor, to understand what was happening with his "very strange coincidence".

Listen to what he is saying when describing the days on the graph, the enlarged graph. It is mostly a coincidence that the Ivermectin use started during the incubation period of the virus after the Olympics. And I'm willing to bet that it had nothing at all to do with Ivermectin stopping any thing at all. It just was the covid incubation period was over with and so the new cases dropped of on their own.

I for the life of me can see why people give that man so much "credit" for what he has to say about covid. He is a nurse not a physician or epidemiologist. If he wasn't given a platform to say what he does on Youtube no one would have ever heard of him. I put his ideas in the same place with all of the other circuits and projects that people come here to try to get them working. When they are such a bad circuit.....

 

My wifes still in the rehabilitation center. And since so many of the workers there keep getting breakthrough covid they have to get a test every morning. and the patients get one every 3 days and any vistor in the room when those tests get done has to get one too. I was there Sunday and got a test, and am not infected. But didn't expect to be, since I have all 3 shots now and when I go to a store I mask up.

 

i wish her good luck and speedy recovery.

but if the breakthrough cases are happening daily... they are not really breakthrough, they are the norm. and it sure looks like current measures are not really effective.

and the sooner we take a honest look at the problem, the sooner better treatment can be found and the sooner this will be over. but some are so entrenched into belief of current narrative that experimental vaccine is the best thing the only thing we can ever have, nobody is even looking beyond the current vaccine or whatever other options are out there. giving another shot of that same vaccine sure sounds like doing same thing over and over and expecting different result... but faith can take people to strange places and the followers will do everything to convince others to join their group.

anyone that suggests that maybe we should consider other things is immediately labeled antivaxer. i took vaccine, two shots. so i am hardly an anti-vaxer... but i am not convinced that it is working particularly good. if it was, we would not have "breakthrough cases" left and right. vaccine may be improvement over nothing but it sure looks like it lacks the punch and it is a far cry from silver bullet.

 

And this is NOT how science is supposed to work. intimidation, censorship, mandates are all strong arm tactics.
if this was Ebola, you would not need to convince people to take the shot...

 

@shortbus, how is your wife doing?

The part about testing sounds like a literal pain.

Yes, it is an "amazing coincidence" as he calls it, because there is no reason given for the coincidence. Not sure where you are going with this, are you linking the surge in Japan with the Oympics in China?

By the way, I am not an Ivermectin fanboy, it is just that I resent the pharmaceutical companies killing off potential helpful treatments so that there are, for targeted countries, no alternatives to the highly profitable mRNA vaccines being sold now. It is only greed, but I also respect the fact that they have a responsibility to their shareholders to maximize their profits.

I hope your wife experiences continual improvement.

 

giving another shot of that same vaccine sure sounds like doing same thing over and over and expecting different result..

Hi panic,

There are quite a number of vaccinations that require annual or five yearly boosters in order to keep the immune system 'topped up'

One vaccination , ie: Flu needs the vaccine to be 'engineered' on an annual basis in order to track the changes in the virus.

Pneumonia is five yearly.

I would forecast that Covid will be such a vaccine

When did you last have a Tetanus' shot.?

E

 

Covid-19 vaccinations reduce the incidence of hospitalization (with a painful ventilator) and death tremendously.
Breakthough or repeated cases occur because the vaccine is not perfect for everybody's immune system.
Well fitting and high quality masks are required and the internet shows the 35 places you should never go to (where unvaccinated and unmasked people are at).

A neighboring city recently opened-up its mandates and allowed weddings. Two weddings with thousands people from the same foreign county had hundreds of cases of Covid-19 develop in attendants. The same with the "places of worship" for those people. I do not like their weird food so I never go near their food stores.

 

yes but we are not talking about those other vaccines. they work, long term studies have confirmed their effectives and safety.

the point is that if they did not work, and their target illnesses were significant problem (pandemic), someone would be working on an alternative or substitute...

but in case of Covid, nobody is even allowed to report the facts if they disagree with certain political agendas. if the Covid vaccine was as effective as claimed, we would not be discussing it. one would take vaccine and be done. maybe need a top-up from time to time. but not every month, then every week, then every day....

the problem is that there are some valid concerns that are repeatedly swept under the rug the whole thing stinks to high heaven but everyone is to pretend that it is great. well it is not... someone need to work on a better version (vaccine or pill or whatever). this vaccine may be a welcome tool to deal with Covid ... for now ... as an emergency use product it was designed to be.

but vaccine and masks (individual or together) are just not good enough and it is unfair to call current practices a holly grail when "breakthrough cases" are so common that they are on pair or sometimes even outpacing unvaccinated cases.

now they are pushing for mandates to use experimental medicine on healthy population and some people are actually ok with that. mere mention of some treatment that is not actually a Covid vaccine immediately draws fury, backlash... and even insults. Covid pandemic is not over so why can't we have a civil conversation about it...?

and why is nobody investigating origin and people involved? every scapegoat (bat, lizard, snake or whatever) was analyzed and there was never confirmed link to Covid starting in nature in some animal, wild or domestic. covid cases were reported in pets like cats and dogs. are they getting vaccinated? who are the spreaders? why people still believe that paper or cloth masks are useful in curbing the spread of virus? they are ok to to stop droplets (spit) but not much more.

 

I don't think I know of a perfect prophylactic, medicine (maybe smallpox and polio) or otherwise. But they sure reduce the statistical probability! Even the Flu shot is not perfect but still lessens the effect if infected. SARs eventually burned itself out and we can only hope that Covid will too but it's going to take effort on our part by practicing isolation, as much as possible, and vaccination.

 

yes but we are not talking about those other vaccines. they work, long term studies have confirmed their effectives and safety.
the point is that if they did not work, and their target illnesses were significant problem (pandemic), someone would be working on an alternative or substitute...

hi panic,

So by saying this:
the point is that if they did not work, and their target illnesses were significant problem (pandemic), someone would be working on an alternative or substitute...

You are suggesting with that comment that the people who died while these alternatives were being developed are expendable.?

The current Covid vaccines, albeit not effective as we all would like, do work in providing some level of protection, while other more effective vaccines are developed.

As an engineer, you should already know that most new developments have initial drawbacks, which are usually corrected based on usage experience.

As I said previously, I understand your personal fear in taking the vaccine, but why are you so ardent in trying to rubbish it and trying to influence others???

E.

 

Panic Mode, you have not seen (or you do not believe) the numbers that show that vaccines make many less Covid-19 hospitalizations and deaths. Almost every hospital case is unvaccinated while vaccinated people who catch the virus are at home with mild sniffles or no symptoms.

Vaccines were made quickly for average people.
Little kids are going to school now and some schools are being closed because they have too many kids who have the virus. Almost none of the kids are hospitalized.
Old, obese and people with serious diseases like diabetes are hospitalized and are dying even if they are vaccinated.
But average vaccinated people are fine.
The news does not report the percentage of unvaccinated hospitalized cases anymore because everybody knows it is 99% or 100%.
Everybody is told by experts that the vaccines are safe and effective.
Everybody is told by antivaxxers that the vaccines make people magnetic, have nuclear radiation and sterile with no kids being born. Drink Lysol and eat a large amount of a worm killer for horses?

Am I lucky or careful that my age is higher than the average 75.1 years lifetime of an American male?
I am both lucky and careful that I am fully vaccinated with the booster, wear a mask when required and I do not play with guns and Fentanyl.
I am not American, am not obese and I do not have diabetes. I don't smoke or drink alcohol anymore.
The flu vaccine I got one week ago was the larger dose for seniors, not the ordinary little dose for average people.
I am eating better, exercising a lot more and take medications that prevent the heart attack I had 12 years ago.
My resting heart rate now is slow like a young athlete.

 

if i though it was a complete rubbish, i would not subject myself to it - twice.
i am not saying do not vaccinate... just saying let everyone make that choice for themselves.
why? it is difficult and i don't want to talk about it but lets just say perhaps i saw something i wish i didn't which made me reconsider...

 

Society does not want selfish people who cause danger to people around them.
If a person makes a selfish choice to not be vaccinated then lockdowns and mandates were made for him instead of isolating him on the moon.