But then I haven't heard even one person claim those that don't vaccinate as being inteligent.

You'd be surprised... some of the most rabid antivaxxers I know are very intelligent people ... they suffer (IMHO) what's called cognitive dissonance ... and it's because of their "intelligence" that makes it so hard to try to reason with them.

 

"Rabid antivaxers" strikes me as being similar to "Violent Buddhist Monks".

This may be good news: I heard on a recent podcast (No Agenda - look it up!) that one variant emerging in the U.K. has no symptoms or is nearly asymptomatic. That's a chance to get what might be a very good vaccination with no pain and little risk compared to the commercial offerings of experimental vaccines. If that thing spreads, especially among those who don't want to be part of the experiment, that might help bring this whole thing to a close. One can hope.

Then we can get on to other important things like "What happened to all the semiconductors?" and other such things.

 

"Rabid antivaxers" strikes me as being similar to "Violent Buddhist Monks".

You're right ... I sinned of exaggerated hyperbole (an oxymoron, I know) ... anyway, my term was aimed at people that simply can't be reasoned with, no matter how much facts and logic you throw at them. Their minds are set in stone and they won't even give you the benefit of the doubt.

 

You'd be surprised... some of the most rabid antivaxxers I know are very intelligent people ... they suffer (IMHO) what's called cognitive dissonance ... and it's because of their "intelligence" that makes it so hard to try to reason with them.

I have 3 sons like that, too smart for their own good. A die maker, a die maker that became a tooling engineer and a carpenter/mason.

 

"Rabid antivaxers" strikes me as being similar to "Violent Buddhist Monks".

This may be good news: I heard on a recent podcast (No Agenda - look it up!) that one variant emerging in the U.K. has no symptoms or is nearly asymptomatic. That's a chance to get what might be a very good vaccination with no pain and little risk compared to the commercial offerings of experimental vaccines. If that thing spreads, especially among those who don't want to be part of the experiment, that might help bring this whole thing to a close. One can hope.

Then we can get on to other important things like "What happened to all the semiconductors?" and other such things.

or variants that mutated out of existence like what might have happened in Japan. There is currently no real-world evidence that immunity to vaccines and past infection is reduced by the Omicron variant.

https://nextstrain.org/ncov/gisaid/global

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/new-variant-nu-fauci-covid-b1964822.html?amp

As the world scrambles to head off the threat of a new Covid-19 variant, White House pandemic adviser Dr Anthony Fauci has said that it is too soon to make conclusive judgments about just how serious the virus is.

Asked on CNN whether there was any sign the “Nu variant” is circulating in the US yet, Dr Fauci was agnostic. “Of course anything is possible, we don’t know that. There is no indication that it is right now.”
...
“Obviously, as soon as we find out more information we’ll make a decision as quickly as we possibly can,” he said. “You always put these things on the table, but you don’t want to say you’re gonna do it until you have some scientific reason to do it. That’s the reason why we’re rushing now to get that scientific data to try and make an informed decision about something like that.”

 

Look on the positive:

By the end of this everyone will know the entire Greek alphabet.

 

aimed at people that simply can't be reasoned with, no matter how much facts and logic you throw at them.

it depends what the facts are. when someone states vaccine is 98% effective then state with 80% of people vaccinated should see dramatic drop in new cases. but the fact is that even states with far lower vaccination rate may have better situation...
it is also that some force masking when any benefits (in case of Covid) of wearing mask are questionable. it is a fact that those in position of power pushing for vax, mask and lockdown mandates are the ones that do least to lead by example. they go maskless to dinners, parties, fly from one state to another, go on vacations etc. but preach that others shall submit to the boot of tyranny.
the fact is that what is in vaccine will not be known for half a century. no room for conspiracy theories there, just shut up and take it. fact is that economy is going down the drain as many are not working, there is a supply chain problem. meanwhile crime and violence are dominating many areas. but yes, we shall all get the jab, put rainbow goggles and tune in to CNN and MSNBC. just like cattle... remove any humanity.

but calling people names (mad, stupid, moron, rabid, etc) somehow still does not appeal to them? just why would that be? they are just supposed to take it as a good argument and logically ... this should make them change their mind.

but that is not how it works. only talking and making things one way only (mandates etc) is neither respect nor dialogue. forcing hard working people out of job is not a tolerant, compassionate or reasonable thing either no matter how the extremists spin it to make their version of "facts".

 

Six months ago there were 67 airplanes each day arriving at my local airport bringing the Covid Delta variant from India. So the government banned airplanes from India. Then the sick passengers simply flew to New York and crossed the border in taxi cabs.
The new African variant is already all over the world.

I got my 3rd dose of vaccine the day before the many unvaccinated workers and little school kids go there to get tested and to pass the virus around.

 

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/11/26/who...as-omicron-says-its-a-variant-of-concern.html

The World Health Organization on Friday assigned the Greek letter Omicron to a newly identified Covid variant in South Africa.

The U.N. health agency recognized the strain, previously referred to as lineage B.1.1.529, as a variant of concern.

Health experts are deeply concerned about the transmissibility of the Omicron variant given that it has an unusual constellation of mutations and a profile that is different from other variants of concern.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1463975708770897923

 

just few letters more and they will be through Greek Alphabet. Then they will use Chinese character set and so on. it will never end. but as with any mutation, most forms will die out quickly. That does not stop media to hype it...
" I color coded it and nothing is green...! run for your lives... more jabs..."

 

just few letters more and they will be through Greek Alphabet. Then they will use Chinese character set and so on. it will never end. but as with any mutation, most forms will die out quickly. That does not stop media to hype it...
" I color coded it and nothing is green...! run for your lives... more jabs..."

We agree on this. It's not just the vaccinated in general that are the problem here with new varaints . There is a small group in the population that are in effect mutation breeders, those with compromised immune systems.

https://www.statnews.com/2021/11/26...ronavirus-variant-identified-in-south-africa/

How did it get so many mutations?

The virus picked up so many mutations so quickly that scientists speculate the variant might not have come from the average case of Covid. Most people clear the virus after an acute infection, but sometimes people with compromised immune systems develop chronic Covid infections. The virus essentially lives in these people for an extended period of time, and can rapidly accumulate mutations at a pace that viral evolution that occurs during normal transmission doesn’t produce. Scientists have hypothesized something similar led to the emergence of the Alpha variant last year.

Notably, the new variant is not a descendant of Delta. Delta has become so dominant globally that scientists had raised the idea that any future variant of concern would likely be a spinout of that virus.

If you are a member (I am) of that compromised immune group please get your 3rd shot or booster ASAP.

 

thanks for concern. but it is too early and i don't like to jump on things without gathering more information. the new variant was only just detected... in Africa. i know that it will not take long to spread but maybe that will give time to learn about it and vaccine mixers to improve their product. once there are at least few dozens or sick or dying in my community, i will consider it. but i not going to jump on nearest needle simply because there are few anecdotal cases of illness on the other side of the planet.

 

thanks but the new variant was only just detected... in Africa. i know that it will not take long to spread but maybe that will give time to learn about it and vaccine mixers to improve their product.

A good offense is usually the better defense so I'll stick with the vaccine experiment instead being a willing member of the virus human host experiment.. The small amount of good news is that with viral mutation, increases in transmission usually also results in decreases in the capacity to harm the host because that would be counterproductive to spread. This means vaccines will still likely be effective in preventing sickness and death if our immune response is broad and strong.

 

i guess we feel exactly the same. both with concern about our health. the only difference is where we put our faith. new vaccine or new virus. i don't know enough about either and don't want to find out. but will make a decision if and when this variant reaches my community. there is a (remote) chance that vaccine is not that good for ones health. time will tell. for all we know this variant mutated a bit more than expected. it is uncertain if and what the effects are. maybe mutated version is completely harmless, unlike the other Covids. i choose to delay any decision until the positive outweighs the negative. or as soon as there is evidence that this variant turns everyone inside out.

 

i guess we feel exactly the same. both with concern about our health. the only difference is where we put our faith. new vaccine or new virus. i don't know enough about either and don't want to find out. but will make a decision if and when this variant reaches my community. there is a (remote) chance that vaccine is not that good for ones health. time will tell. for all we know this variant mutated a bit more than expected. it is uncertain if and what the effects are. maybe mutated version is completely harmless, unlike the other Covids. i choose to delay any decision until the positive outweighs the negative. or as soon as there is evidence that this variant turns everyone inside out.

New variants are typically just weaker versions from the original, still different to maintain some degree of mobility host to host, a fly is able to move before you hit it, the virus does much in a same manor, expected result to mutate, I knew it would, I expected it would, the virus is just managing to take root in hosts with a same or slightly same DNA that it was able to exploit, if we were all the same it would not be able to do that, mRNA handshake wouldn’t take place in order for it to copy itself thereby dies.

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Edit: Made me think of Zombie movies where the Zombie avoid someone covered in Zombie Scent or skin, the Vaxx is the Scent, so it avoids some of us.

 

So far many of the articles that I read fiscuss the following - yes there is firtile ground for mutations in Africa as there is an HIV epidemic going on. However many of HIV affected individuals managed to survive with COVID gor many months and eventually overcome it so it lloks like the mutated virus is pretty mild if it does not kill someone who is that immunocompromised.

Just my observation

 

as Bill Burr tells it, let them practice on someone else. still did not work out the kinks of plastic surgery.

 

However many of HIV affected individuals managed to survive with COVID

That one makes as much sense as Ivermectin as a covid deterrent. Your life your way, just so glad we live very far apart!

 

Why read misinformation that was not written by doctors and scientists? They say the vaccine is safe and effective.
The Covid vaccines have prevented hospitalizations and deaths of many people.
Unvaccinated people are super-spreaders of the virus and are clogging up the hospitals.

 

That one makes as much sense as Ivermectin as a covid deterrent. Your life your way, just so glad we live very far apart!

Whats even more bizarre that people with a natural immunity to HIV are said to be descended from folks who survived the Black Plague.

Mutated Genomes cool but strange, the chances of that probably astounding. Not related in any other way with COVID19, way different, just saying about HIV related comment not related to COVID.


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