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nsaspook

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https://www.cbsnews.com/news/coronavirus-children-pediatrician-80-percent-asymptomatic/
However, Dr. Hes believes the official numbers don't reflect the true scope of of the outbreak due to the lack of widespread testing.

"I don't mean to be rude, but the numbers are totally wrong," Hes said on CBSN. "I think that probably 80% of the children have coronavirus. We are not testing children. I'm in New York City. I can't get my patients tested. And we have to assume, if they are sick, they have coronavirus. Most of them, probably 80 to 90% of them, are asymptomatic. So, these numbers are so skewed. I think that the mortality rate is way, way less than 0.5% for children who have it because it is so prevalent. You have to remember thousands of kids die from flu a year. This is much, much less virulent in children."
 

Reloadron

Joined Jan 15, 2015
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Lawn care products, maybe overkill in restrictions but food plants? That seems totally counterproductive.

Lawn care products, maybe overkill in restrictions but food plants? That seems totally counterproductive.

Yeah, think about it. While I haven't done a major garden in years because neighbors all have them this is the time. People are getting their gardens in order with tomatoes, peppers and the like.

Ron
 

MrAl

Joined Jun 17, 2014
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I’ve never heard anyone suggest a model for the number of lives lost by NOT opening up the economy.

The second problem is a sociological one. Who knows what R0 is? How do we proliferate that understanding?
There is a doctor that says that NOT opening up the country may actually be worse than closing it because it does not allow the virus to play itself out in the normal course of the way they work out over time. In other words, it delays the onset such that it takes longer to see it disappear which could cause another surge.
 

djsfantasi

Joined Apr 11, 2010
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There is a doctor that says that NOT opening up the country may actually be worse than closing it because it does not allow the virus to play itself out in the normal course of the way they work out over time. In other words, it delays the onset such that it takes longer to see it disappear which could cause another surge.
I know a doctor who says that burning incense will clear the common cold. I don’t believe him either.
 

MrAl

Joined Jun 17, 2014
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Went to the grocery store ShopRite very early this morning 7:30am and although it was not packed with people the shelves were also very bare. Very little paper produces, NO chicken in the entire chicken isle, no cottage cheese that was not 1 percent. Many other things like orange juice and coffee creamer were also absent. Surprisingly there was plenty of milk.
It is hard to say what people are buying mostly besides paper products. The cottage cheese mystery was interesting which says that nobody likes 1 percent they like whole milk cottage cheese.
They like chicken but dont like the processed bagged chicken as much as there was plenty of that too.
There was water, only one brand, the rest of the shelves that normally carry a lot of gallons were empty again.
What surprised me though was the chicken isle as completely bare of chicken. That was just nuts and it is a very long refrigerated isle too i'd say about 40 feet or more. That makes you feel like there is something like an apocalypse happening.
Plenty of those big frozen pizzas though that you make at home.
 

Reloadron

Joined Jan 15, 2015
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There is a doctor that says that NOT opening up the country may actually be worse than closing it because it does not allow the virus to play itself out in the normal course of the way they work out over time. In other words, it delays the onset such that it takes longer to see it disappear which could cause another surge.
Interesting. If I were not retired I would be going to work every day just as before. We were considered essential simply because we supported the US Navy Nuclear Propulsion Program. Twenty -four hours a day three shifts seven days a week. Most of the big guys, big money are not those suffering through all this. It's the little guys and it's always the little guys. The small neighborhood establishments really are taking a beating. Yet who will be inline for government handouts? Where my wife worked managing a small TV station she likely would be doing some work from home and drawing full pay and allowances. So if I flatten down a curve by pushing the top down what happens to the area under the curve? :)

Ron
 

Reloadron

Joined Jan 15, 2015
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Went to the grocery store ShopRite very early this morning 7:30am and although it was not packed with people the shelves were also very bare. Very little paper produces, NO chicken in the entire chicken isle, no cottage cheese that was not 1 percent. Many other things like orange juice and coffee creamer were also absent. Surprisingly there was plenty of milk.
It is hard to say what people are buying mostly besides paper products. The cottage cheese mystery was interesting which says that nobody likes 1 percent they like whole milk cottage cheese.
They like chicken but dont like the processed bagged chicken as much as there was plenty of that too.
There was water, only one brand, the rest of the shelves that normally carry a lot of gallons were empty again.
What surprised me though was the chicken isle as completely bare of chicken. That was just nuts and it is a very long refrigerated isle too i'd say about 40 feet or more. That makes you feel like there is something like an apocalypse happening.
Plenty of those big frozen pizzas though that you make at home.
Surprisingly my local Giant Eagle supermarket has been doing well by me. Once they even had the giant packs of Charmin toilet paper. Fresh meats and poultry are plentiful as well as veggies. Some canned goods are low like of all things Campbell's Soups and other canned soup. Bakery is abundant but the fresh made donuts are a no, no because they don't want people handling them. Pies and breads no problem. Neighbor's daughter lives in LI City and they have to keep sending her things like paper towels and toilet paper so it seems some of this is a geographical thing based in part on population density.

Ron
 

SamR

Joined Mar 19, 2019
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Wife had to go to town and went by the grocery. Didn't go in, the place was jam-packed with folks spending their CV Bonus Checks.
 
Went to the grocery store ShopRite very early this morning 7:30am and although it was not packed with people the shelves were also very bare. Very little paper produces, NO chicken in the entire chicken isle, no cottage cheese that was not 1 percent. Many other things like orange juice and coffee creamer were also absent. Surprisingly there was plenty of milk.
It is hard to say what people are buying mostly besides paper products. The cottage cheese mystery was interesting which says that nobody likes 1 percent they like whole milk cottage cheese.
They like chicken but dont like the processed bagged chicken as much as there was plenty of that too.
There was water, only one brand, the rest of the shelves that normally carry a lot of gallons were empty again.
What surprised me though was the chicken isle as completely bare of chicken. That was just nuts and it is a very long refrigerated isle too i'd say about 40 feet or more. That makes you feel like there is something like an apocalypse happening.
Plenty of those big frozen pizzas though that you make at home.
There is a big surplus of milk. Commercial accounts like restaurants are not buying. Some dairy farmers are dumping milk. The cows cannot be turned off.
 

Reloadron

Joined Jan 15, 2015
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ShopRite near me is doing ok, but the Deli is closed...what a bummer.
The deli in my local super market is open but they made this like barricade around it. So I stand at the barricade and yell at the girl, one pound of the Danish Ham, one pound of Salami, one pound of.... Sort of humorous. Then she packages my stuff and I walk to the end and she hands it to me. The registers all have Plexiglas between me and the cashiers and they moved the credit card readers. Just a little strange. Hey I figure whatever trips their trigger. I get in, grab my stuff and get out but yeah, no major shortages. The guy back in dairy did tell me on some items he orders for example 50 cases a week and may only get 8 to 10 but overall not bad. Oh yeah, other than canned soups I noticed that canned beans like pork and beans in a can were light but there was plenty of the Bushe's brand I like. :)

Ron
 

djsfantasi

Joined Apr 11, 2010
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I’ve had similar shopping experiences at first. But I have a housekeeper who comes every two weeks. I haven’t let her into the apartment since this. But what she does is take my shopping list, does my food shopping and delivers it. I pay a little less than I do normally for housekeeping, but it’s a win-win. I don’t have to go into a supermarket and she still gets paid a little.

Getting Lobster tomorrow
 

MrAl

Joined Jun 17, 2014
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Interesting. If I were not retired I would be going to work every day just as before. We were considered essential simply because we supported the US Navy Nuclear Propulsion Program. Twenty -four hours a day three shifts seven days a week. Most of the big guys, big money are not those suffering through all this. It's the little guys and it's always the little guys. The small neighborhood establishments really are taking a beating. Yet who will be inline for government handouts? Where my wife worked managing a small TV station she likely would be doing some work from home and drawing full pay and allowances. So if I flatten down a curve by pushing the top down what happens to the area under the curve? :)

Ron
Yes stays the same as some epidemiologists suggest. That is the field of one of the doctors i was quoting earlier and if they dont know then nobody does.
 

killivolt

Joined Jan 10, 2010
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Wife had to go to town and went by the grocery. Didn't go in, the place was jam-packed with folks spending their CV Bonus Checks.
One of my youngster Supervisors, Great kid. He said in our 1:1 meeting when I asked what are you going to do with your stimulus check? He said well you know, I know first thought is save it, second thought well it’s supposed to stimulate the economy right? I said ya, I get it and we laughed. Since he’s still living at home he’s also thinking about the future, I was sure the kid was on the right track but, he’s a car guy, we’ll see where it goes from there. :)

kv
 

Reloadron

Joined Jan 15, 2015
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I’ve had similar shopping experiences at first. But I have a housekeeper who comes every two weeks. I haven’t let her into the apartment since this. But what she does is take my shopping list, does my food shopping and delivers it. I pay a little less than I do normally for housekeeping, but it’s a win-win. I don’t have to go into a supermarket and she still gets paid a little.

Getting Lobster tomorrow
You're killing me with the damn lobsters. My local place has been closed and between your mention of them and pictures now I am wanting lobster. :)

I guess that is actually good since going in search of lobsters is about all I have to think or worry about. Makes me want to do a New England trip.

Ron
 

wayneh

Joined Sep 9, 2010
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You're killing me with the damn lobsters. My local place has been closed and between your mention of them and pictures now I am wanting lobster. :)

I guess that is actually good since going in search of lobsters is about all I have to think or worry about. Makes me want to do a New England trip.

Ron
I recently did a lobster feast for the grandkids. It was a great break for everybody and something they’ll never forget. Ordered live lobs from Rockport, Maine. If you want any comments or review, just ask.

I’m making a giant pot of lobster bisque right now from the leftover shells.
 

WBahn

Joined Mar 31, 2012
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I don't know where he is getting his "thousands of kids die from the flu every year" claim. There very article he links to completely refutes such a claim:

The CDC's most recent flu report said that as of March 7, hospitalization rates among children aged 4 and under were the highest on record at this point in the season, surpassing rates reported during the 2009 H1N1 pandemic. The 144 children's deaths also mark the highest on record since the 2009 season.
Everything I have seen indicates that pediatric deaths from flu is quite rare -- almost always less than 200 in the U.S. Reporting pediatric flu deaths to the CDC is mandatory.

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/season/flu-season-2017-2018.htm
 

nsaspook

Joined Aug 27, 2009
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I recently did a lobster feast for the grandkids. It was a great break for everybody and something they’ll never forget. Ordered live lobs from Rockport, Maine. If you want any comments or review, just ask.

I’m making a giant pot of lobster bisque right now from the leftover shells.
Just ordered another 10, should be here Friday.
 

wayneh

Joined Sep 9, 2010
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Just ordered another 10, should be here Friday.
Just curious, what size do you go for? I got some jumbos (>3 lb) and frankly they were too big , if you can imagine such a thing. I got deuces for the grandkids and that seemed pretty good. They could have split one and an adult would have had plenty with a whole one.
 
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