Cell Towers (BTS) and our health

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Motanache

Joined Mar 2, 2015
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Can Cell Towers influence our health?
Or even mobile phones?
We live in an era of communication and this question is quite important.

What I always hear - They calculate the energy of the microwave quantum and deduce that it can not to break the chemical bond.

However, the evidence show something else.

The discussion was inspired by this discussion:
https://forum.allaboutcircuits.com/threads/new-cottage-industry-hiding-cell-towers.139162/

I've been trying to write about dielectric relaxation on my blog, but I became and gave up.

http://digamyhobbyen.weebly.com/biological.html

dielectric relaxation- alpha(KHz) beta(MHz) gamma(GHz)
The cell membrane behaves like a capacitor.

If in the KHz domain the cell membrane shielding the cell well. The induced current circulates only through the extracellular fluid.

In the GHz range, talso passes he double nuclear membrane.
 
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BR-549

Joined Sep 22, 2013
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Is it necessary to ionize to cause damage? If that's the standard.......it's piss poor. I wonder if the damage done down in Cuba was ionization?

When you shine sunlight on human skin........multiples of biological changes start immediately.

We have only been exposing the brain to MW EM for a few years now. It seems to be safe.

But radiating MW thru the ear hole........always seemed like a bad idea to me.
 

Janis59

Joined Aug 21, 2017
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RE:""When you shine sunlight on human skin........multiples of biological changes start immediately""
As yes as no. It is indisputable that UV makes the radiative defects, BUT, the body is emitting the melatonin pigment what is strongest antioxidant ever seen. For example, as I am living 57deg North my skin is rather light thus the redness I can capture just in 10 minutes at unshaded sun at the springtime. At midsummer, when already brownish colour is evident then even 3 days un-interrupted being in sun just makes no impact at all. It means that skin resistance had grown at least 3*3600*20/10*60=1.3 million fold. Therefore NATURAL sun if a man lives according the natural cycles (and not violates it living in dark rooms and then boom- 3 days at sun) then any cancer induction is clearly impossible, except the pre-melanomic skin objects like warps etc.
Quite vice versa situation is with a radio-waves, where no immune reactions are given to humans inherently. There had been approved a dosen of standarts like old russian GOST giving just 10-fold stronger demands about EM smog as nowadays ICNIRP-1997 standard. This standard at the some wavelengthes was changed by ICNIRP-2010 (get stronger, nearer to russian), and at last there is IARC standard what only few states of EU had been adapted, like SE and SW, partially DE.That is even more demanding as russian standard. But most of lands are living in loosely American standard and even those is not easy to keep into the limits. I have measured the hundreds of mobile towers, mostly they are well directed except the exclusively few, thus the residential homes are swept away of the ray, and ICNIRP loose normative is just just but obeyed.
Other story is about radio and TV transmitters, where somehow everything is well obeyed when inspectors are coming to measure, but five minutes after the human ear shows some powerful fan is switched on at the top of tower, and my field analisator shows too, something like field hundred-folding. Sometimes inhabitants may catch more than large exposition dosage in such manner, and link with a cancer is evident in such regions. However I hope not in many states the inspectors are so lazy and transmitter owners so shameless.
Third thing is just the mobile phone itself. In mine the 150-300 V/m is evident during the call, in the distance where ear stays close. However at 5cm distance it decreases hundredfold and in 30cm distance is just level of the natural technological bias. Therefore, the best advice, especially to those speaking much, is to activate the loudspeaker regime and speak keeping the phone in the hand.
 

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Motanache

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Marley

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Cell phone "radiation" presents no health risk AT ALL. However do not go out into the sunlight as that is very dangerous!
To understand this you need to find out about the electromagnetic spectrum and the energy contained in photons.

Cell phones use "low" frequencies around 1 to 2GHz. They are very low powered - in the region of a few Watts. Even if you exposed yourself to a high power radio transmitter the only health risk is the heating effect on your tissues. And then only very near the surface as we are basically made of salt water that conducts electricity and prevents the electromagnetic wave from penetrating. So with a seriously powerful radio transmitter you could burn your skin but you would have to be very close to the antenna.

As the electromagnetic frequency increases, there is more energy contained in each photon. Consider that your own body generates electromagnetic radiation in the infra-red part of the spectrum. At a much higher power (around 100W) at a much higher frequency (look it up). But even this presents no risk whatsoever!

Even visible light that we are exposed to all day long, (at an even higher frequency) - is still perfectly safe.

It's only when the frequency goes into the ultra-violet part of the EM spectrum that the photons have enough energy to damage the DNA of living cells. X-rays are even higher frequency still and are seriously damaging of course.

Please do not worry about cell phones, wi-fi, that TV transmitter down the road that's been there for 50 years, the warmth radiating from your log fire, the heat of our own bodies or even the bright lights of your home. Actually, a little bit of sunshine is good for you as it generates vitamin D.

It amazes me, in this so called technological age, when we are all supposedly educated, how much pseudo-science and mumbo-jumbo there is about.
 

nsaspook

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Motanache

Joined Mar 2, 2015
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It's only when the frequency goes into the ultra-violet part of the EM spectrum that the photons have enough energy to damage the DNA of living cells. X-rays are even higher frequency still and are seriously damaging of course.
That's what I said too.

What I always hear - They calculate the energy of the microwave quantum and deduce that it can not to break the chemical bond.
I can not accept it. The breakage of the covalent bond of DNA may also be due to heating, which is not a normal heating, it can take place from the inside to the outside.
DNA has repair mechanisms, but if it does not repair the cell enters into apoptosis.


Let's change the conversation a little:
- Why the cell phone can be called in the closed microwave (Obviously the oven removed from the socket). It should be a Faraday cage. And Faraday cage condition for 2.5Ghz to be valid for 900MHz.
This is related to the depth of 900MHz radiation penetration. (Cellular phone RX -109dBm min. and TX 5W max.if I remember correctly)
 

nsaspook

Joined Aug 27, 2009
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Let's change the conversation a little:
- Why the cell phone can be called in the closed microwave (Obviously the oven removed from the socket). It should be a Faraday cage. And Faraday cage condition for 2.5Ghz to be valid for 900MHz.
This is related to the depth of 900MHz radiation penetration. (Cellular phone RX -109dBm min. and TX 5W max.if I remember correctly)
Most modern microwave ovens are not an effective Faraday cage because of the intentional door gap. The door is designed to be a choke filter at the oven frequency but it's not effective at all frequencies.

http://diagramas.diagramasde.com/otros/Microwave(Sharp) Training.pdf

"Volume 3 – Door Systems and Microwave Power/Energy Detection"
 

Janis59

Joined Aug 21, 2017
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RE: NSA Spook:
Thanks a lot, very nice file and no doubt useful.
However , there is not explained one very `sharp` detail - magnetron if used on rectified AC makes 100 times at second start-up conditions of oscillation and the same time stop conditions of. Therefore it always find some region which is capable to oscillate. Just contrary situation is if someone who is hardcore perfectionist tries to filter DC to make it ideally glide, ripple-less. Then with a surprise he will discover, that magnetron have work functionality exclusively only in the few volts or maximum teens of volts narrow range. For example between 1480 to 1490 Volt (figures are fictional). And as every magnetron even in the same stock has another individual voltages, the precise passing is always challenge. I know it as I have witch-crafted on plasma torches using magnetron excitation. Need to say that power supply was need to re-build more than few times before it became functional. Why to not use the `normal` PS instead, one may ask? Its obvious, who will want a small air-plane motor sound out of the torch day and night?
 
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GopherT

Joined Nov 23, 2012
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If that study is important to you, you must be using your phone differently than I do. :p
I keep it in my pocket for the very purpose demonstrated in the study.

On the other hand, my boys keep their phone in their pockets, too. I may never have grandkids.

Where do you keep your phone?
 
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