Can cheap op amps be made to go rail to rail?

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Wendy

Joined Mar 24, 2008
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Most op amps will stop a few volts shy of rail to rail. Does anyone have ideas how to extend this limitation on output voltage swing? Normal negative feedback will compensate for a multitude of sins. Even going to the + rail would be useful. I have an application that could use this trick.
 

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Wendy

Joined Mar 24, 2008
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741 is as cheap as they come,so is the 1548 (dual741)
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My index is a personal index of things I find useful, as well as linking to my personal articles. Hey as hobbies go it is both cheap and harmless.

Care to suggest your favs?

I am also a fan of quick and dirty. If there is a way to do this I want to know how.
 
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AnalogKid

Joined Aug 1, 2013
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Rail-to-rail output can be achieved by adding two external transistors, one in series with each power pin. Here is the general idea, but you break the connection between pin 7 and the output, and add a resistor from pin 7 to GND. Stability is tricky. I think there is an older version in an National Semi app note.

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danadak

Joined Mar 10, 2018
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Using digikey cheapest OpAmp, 4558, was a little over 7 cents, cheapest RRO
was ~13 cents, all in some volume. Makes one wonder if you add up costs of
externals to get to RRO, insertion costs, procurement and test costs, if its worth-
while.

Then one has to consider load conditions, and whats "good" enough for swing
at output.

Regards, Dana.
 

DickCappels

Joined Aug 21, 2008
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And then there is this trick:
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The op-amp is an LM358. A Fairchild KSP10 (made in 2014) and a National Semiconductor NT3906 (made in the mid-1970's) connected as avalanche photocurrent sources are used as an output stage with and output swing that includes voltages higher than the positive power supply and below ground.

The output going more than 300 mv below ground:
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Because of the low currents available from the current sources this trick cannot be used with fast signals.
 

wayneh

Joined Sep 9, 2010
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The last R-R opamp I bought was TLV272IP, 97¢ each from Mouser in single quantities, before freight. (Now they're $1.33) I don't recall why I chose that particular one. The LM358 opamps I bought off eBay were 27.5¢ each delivered in a lot of 20.

I'm not willing to spend much time and effort avoiding the difference between 27.5¢ and 97¢.
 
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