Sure...

Where has the oil industry or anyone related to the DAP project or any pipeline projects made any mess let alone something like what these protesters did and then walked away from it with apparent zero accountability?

Or for that matter where has any US industry anywhere in recent history ever made any mess like this and then just walked away from it with apparently zero accountability and or liability for their actions?

Sure industrial accidents and leaks happen all the time but when they do responsibility and payment for their clean up is taken by the industry they are related to.

Why aren't the environmentalists and their protestors doing that with their messes they make?

 

Like they say, socialism works till you run out of other people's money.

It's similar to environmentalism. It only works until one side runs out of credibility in their stance.

(As seems to be the common end point for intelligent debate on these types of discussions.)

 

Where has the oil industry or anyone related to the DAP project or any pipeline projects made any mess let alone something like what these protesters did and then walked away from it with apparent zero accountability.

Or for that matter where has any US industry anywhere in recent history ever made any mess like this and then just walked away from it with apparently zero accountability and or liability for their actions?

Sure industrial accidents and leaks happen all the time but when they do responsibility and payment for their clean up is taken by the industry they are related to.

Why aren't the environmentalist protestors doing that with their messes they make?

They should leave this mess in place and turn it into a memorial. I want kids across the country to stop by there on their vacations and get a lesson about what these people are really about.

 

They should leave this mess in place and turn it into a memorial. I want kids across the country to stop by there on their vacations and get a lesson about what these people are really about.

Unfortunately it's on the floodplain of the river so the first time high water comes through all that crap well get washed into everyone else's back yards all the way down to the gulf of mexico.

Otherwise yea. It would be a very fitting memorial to what real environmentalism does for the environment.

Personally I think they should take all that garbage and truck it over to the reservation and just start dumping it everywhere and see how they react to that. It's their own crap from their own protests they left behind so they shouldn't have any problems with it.

 

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...o-deep-scientists-measuring-devices/98623436/

Although the impressive snowpack has delivered much-needed drought relief the region still faces long term environmental challenges due in large part to global climate change.

...

Even in heavy snow years like this one, global warming is the wild card in our water security.

*sigh*

 

A greater percentage of precipitation coming in the form of rain instead of snow and irregular snow-melt cycles makes it more difficult for communities to capture water for public use.

“Instead of making its way into our faucets, the snow we have now could be washed away into the ocean,” said Juliet Christian-Smith, senior climate scientist and water expert at the Union of Concerned Scientists, wrote in a statement about the California snowpack. “Even in heavy snow years like this one, global warming is the wild card in our water security.”

Maybe they need to invest in more dams and water storage systems (or fix the ones they have now so they work right again) so that they can take better advantage of such naturally occurring events.

 

Maybe they need to invest in more dams and water storage systems (or fix the ones they have now so they work right again) so that they can take better advantage of such naturally occurring events.

That's the rational approach, but the delta smelt don't agree. Besides, all the money has already been spent on the bullet train to nowhere.

Both the 2008 and 2013 Due Diligence reports state that no existing high-speed system currently meets the proposed operation speed and safety goals. It notes that the highest cruising HSR speed in the world on production runs is about 200 miles per hour (320 km/h) in France, and this is significantly less than the sustained speed of 220 miles per hour (350 km/h) the CHSRA plan requires.

 

NASA does Fake Science!

The following is my analysis:

Watch the video. You can see condensing liquid water dripping from the surfaces of "CubeSat".

The atmospheric pressure on the surface of Mars is 6 mBar. The saturation temperature of water at 6 mBar is just below freezing. The "environment" within CubeSat does not replicate that which is found on Mars, or frost would form. Not liquid water.

I suppose they had to make up the Mars story to hide the real impetus behind the experiment:

The Potatoes on Mars project was conceived by CIP to both understand how potatoes might grow in Mars conditions and also see how they survive in the extreme conditions similar to what parts of the world already suffering from climate change and weather shocks are already experiencing.

If conditions on Earth become similar to Mars, tubers are the last thing we'll need to worry about...

 

If conditions on Earth become similar to Mars, tubers are the last thing we'll need to worry about...

I guess we'd have to start saving our own s*it, just like Matt Damon did, to use as fertilizer...

 

Blue lava. Must be rich in cobalt.

 

Blue lava. Must be rich in cobalt.

Just the lighting, same as how bluebirds are not really blue.

 

The atmospheric pressure on the surface of Mars is 6 mBar. The saturation temperature of water at 6 mBar is just below freezing. The "environment" within CubeSat does not replicate that which is found on Mars, or frost would form. Not liquid water.

They were notably vague about the temperatures, other than claiming it mimicked Mars. I speculate that they didn't correct for wall effects, just as our walls up here in the north will be far cooler than the air in the room, in the depth of winter. It would cause big errors in a small chamber like that, allowing warmth to radiate from the walls to the potatoes. FWIW, I calculate the frost point of water at -5°C to -0.22°C over the range of 400-600Pa seen on Mars.

 

Just the lighting, same as how bluebirds are not really blue.

Of course. That's why I posted in this thread. My sarcasm didn't come through.

 

I guess he's not one of the 97%.

Source document.

About Richard S. Lindzen.

 

I'm suspecting in the next few years a lot more of the 'non conformist scientists' with far differing views and reasonings of and for climate change and its suposed source validity are going to to be coming out of the woodwork to become far more vocal and recognized for their real scientific work and thus likely be giving overall views of things a considerably wiser and differing scientific bias than what has been the standard for the last decade or two.

One can only hope!

 

http://www.digitalnewsreport.org/essays/2016/public-news-environment/

• This is linked to patterns of online news consumption, with the Huffington Post the single most widely used news source in the US among those highly interested in environmental news.

I guess that about explains it.

 

I'm suspecting in the next few years a lot more of the 'non conformist scientists' with far differing views and reasonings of and for climate change and its suposed source validity are going to to be coming out of the woodwork to become far more vocal and recognized for their real scientific work and thus likely be giving overall views of things a considerably wiser and differing scientific bias than what has been the standard for the last decade or two.

One can only hope!

Ya, but this won't help the Heating and Air Service business's like mine who gave up when customers declined repair over purchasing new or going without.

You can't live on service calls alone.

kv

 

They're burning books, now.

 

They're burning books, now.

Who's burning books? The congressmen were clearly quoted as suggesting the novels get "recycled". You should read the words instead of just looking at the pictures.

 

Who's burning books? The congressmen were clearly quoted as suggesting the novels get "recycled".

Burnt or shredded, the end result is precisely equivalent with respect to the information contained within.

But, you wouldn't understand that without me pointing it out for you.

You're welcome.