Well, my children and grandchildren may face a more attractive job market, for one. Infrastructure dollars can be spent on potholes and bridges instead of education and health care for illegals. I could go on.

If you plan on your kids working in that job market, you better make sure they stay in school.
If they are working they are paying taxes. Many of which they will probably not benefit from.
https://www.americanimmigrationcoun...ions-tax-dollars-paid-undocumented-immigrants
Edit:
For the record. I am not in favor of illegal immigration, I just see no benefit from trying to deport the ones already here.

 

I'll stick with a medium-rare ribeye. Thanks.

 

For the record. I am not in favor of illegal immigration, I just see no benefit from trying to deport the ones already here.

My Ex is an immigrant and so are a few friends of mine and too many people I have worked with as well and by far pretty much every immigrant I have ever known tends to agree with kicking and keeping the illegals out.

It just makes sense. They had to actually work and pay and wait to become legal US citizens and get jobs here so letting illegals in hurts their chances for getting work and even others like them from being let in in the future without even more red tape and regulations to meet as much or more than anyone.

I don't care who are or where you came from or what religion or political affiliation you hold, so long as you are willing to work and adhere to our American standards and cultural ways when at work and in public and follow the legal process to get in you're welcome to join us.

 

Winning, winning, winning...

I know a guy who's winning.

 

From http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...atures-suggesting-rise-not-man-emissions.html

To "Illegal immigrants should stay the heck out" in 2.5 split seconds...

Those thread start people are bait click writers do not pander them.

 

Infrastructure dollars can be spent on potholes and bridges

You really think this is going to happen? The republican members have refused this type of thing for quite awhile. "It was built once, we did our job", seems to be their motto. Look what they did in Flint, though that was a state republican government not federal.

 

You really think this is going to happen? The republican members have refused this type of thing for quite awhile. "It was built once, we did our job", seems to be their motto. Look what they did in Flint, though that was a state republican government not federal.

That corruption and malfeasance happen is hardly a good justification for also handing out goodies to illegals.

To the degree that a Republican congress resisted infrastructure spending, it was because they knew it was just a slush fund for the Democrat party. A trillion dollars were spent on shovel-ready projects. Where did it go? Union pension funds, and then right back to Democrat campaign funds. Not one pothole got filled.

 

That corruption and malfeasance happen is hardly a good justification for also handing out goodies to illegals.

To the degree that a Republican congress resisted infrastructure spending, it was because they knew it was just a slush fund for the Democrat party. A trillion dollars were spent on shovel-ready projects. Where did it go? Union pension funds, and then right back to Democrat campaign funds. Not one pothole got filled.

I think that your forgetting the republicans party involvement in this "get paid" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_on_Terror#Etymology

 

Again, "everyone else is doing it" is not a valid argument for doing more bad stuff. It didn't work with my mother and it doesn't work now. When we have a chance to close the spigot to the trough, we have to take it.

 

OK if you think death in other countries that will benefit your dialect. Live with it. Not my problem. It's blood on your hands not mine.

This was an extreme call for *think again" If it got lost in translation...

 

This is what happens when you live in an all ready militant country.

Paranoia squared.

I still ain't sure how you guys manage to procreate

 

My Ex is an immigrant and so are a few friends of mine and too many people I have worked with as well and by far pretty much every immigrant I have ever known tends to agree with kicking and keeping the illegals out.

It just makes sense. They had to actually work and pay and wait to become legal US citizens and get jobs here so letting illegals in hurts their chances for getting work and even others like them from being let in in the future without even more red tape and regulations to meet as much or more than anyone.

I don't care who are or where you came from or what religion or political affiliation you hold, so long as you are willing to work and adhere to our American standards and cultural ways when at work and in public and follow the legal process to get in you're welcome to join us.

It's fun to say, but unrealistic. Let's take a look.
For the sake of discussion lets say we want to get rid of 10,000,000 of them.
The 14th amendment says they get a hearing from a federal judge (sometimes two). There are currently about 1/2 million in this system. So what happens? the get released with a promise to come back for their hearing. Somewhere around a year and a half. Well, some do come back, some don't. So what do you want to do lock them up? Well, I guess we could. It might take a while to build that much space. Problem is it costs about $30,000 a year to keep somebody. If we didn't do anything more than what we are doing except locking them up, it's 15 billion a year - or more. But if we build a big beautiful wall that keeps anymore out in in just 20 years we would get them all out at a cost of around 300 billion.
But wait about 1/2 come in on visas they don't have to climb a wall. So we can make more judges, prisons to compensate.
Then we can buy them a ticket home - let's say $1,000 each. Another 500 million a year.
Anyway you get the idea. The money would be better spent trying to keep them out. But that's another discussion and probably pretty expensive as well.
PS. The same thing works for sanctuary cities. Why do you want to catch them and store them just to have the Feds let them go?

 

That corruption and malfeasance happen is hardly a good justification for also handing out goodies to illegals.

To the degree that a Republican congress resisted infrastructure spending, it was because they knew it was just a slush fund for the Democrat party. A trillion dollars were spent on shovel-ready projects. Where did it go? Union pension funds, and then right back to Democrat campaign funds. Not one pothole got filled.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ameri...nt_Act_of_2009#Tax_incentives_for_individuals

Did you get a check?

 

It's fun to say, but unrealistic. Let's take a look.
For the sake of discussion lets say we want to get rid of 10,000,000 of them.
The 14th amendment says they get a hearing from a federal judge (sometimes two). There are currently about 1/2 million in this system. So what happens? the get released with a promise to come back for their hearing. Somewhere around a year and a half. Well, some do come back, some don't. So what do you want to do lock them up? Well, I guess we could. It might take a while to build that much space. Problem is it costs about $30,000 a year to keep somebody. If we didn't do anything more than what we are doing except locking them up, it's 15 billion a year - or more. But if we build a big beautiful wall that keeps anymore out in in just 20 years we would get them all out at a cost of around 300 billion.
But wait about 1/2 come in on visas they don't have to climb a wall. So we can make more judges, prisons to compensate.
Then we can buy them a ticket home - let's say $1,000 each. Another 500 million a year.
Anyway you get the idea. The money would be better spent trying to keep them out. But that's another discussion and probably pretty expensive as well.
PS. The same thing works for sanctuary cities. Why do you want to catch them and store them just to have the Feds let them go?

A $1000? WTF? I can fly halfway around the world and back in decent planes for that much and I have the frigging middle of nowhere as my initial departure and return point.

As for the rest of it it's all money making bureaucracy driven. We clear that out of the way and we can mass eject them out of the country in under a week from pickup to border drop off .

Forget the trial crap and prison anything.
They get caught and don't have the correct documentation on them and no credible electronic ID trail that can be confirmed they go to a local lock up for 48 hours so that if they have someone who can verify them and claim them to be here legally they have the time to be found and rescued.

Otherwise we hand them a paper bag with a loaf of government commodity bread, cheese and meat plus a 12 pack of water and roll of toilet paper with a note printed in multiple languages that says
"Use this wisely. you're likely going to be traveling for several days before you get any more and thanks for visiting America! "
and stick them on the equivalent of a low level prisoner transport bus that hauls them to a refitted livestock exportation train (low level prisoners transport setup AKA a weather tight livestock transport car with benches and a toilet) that hauls their ass south like livestock to where we dump them in containment areas on the border that only have one way out to the south into Mexico even if they aren't Mexican illegals. $50 a head tops.

As far as I am concerned if they are here illegally with no visitors visa and a plan to leave because it expired they are not US citizen class people. They are walking talking cattle and can be treated and transported as such.

Heck as for paying for it put up a 'Support you're local illegals going home fund.' collection and gift carding system where you can buy a offical 'I sponsored getting an illegal home!' proof of donation memorabilia at every gas station grocery store and place of business to give to your family and friends on those special holidays like you buy a save the animals or save the children type charitable contribution what not.
Heck, make it a tax deductible purchase too!

Hey Ron, How bad did you get hit on your taxes this year? "Uh, No hit at all TCM! I sponsored 370 illegals in going home to their families and got a $1000 refund! Ain't I a nice guy?!

 

A $1000? WTF? I can fly halfway around the world and back in decent planes for that much and I have the frigging middle of nowhere as my initial departure and return point.

As for the rest of it it's all money making bureaucracy driven. We clear that out of the way and we can mass eject them out of the country in under a week from pickup to border drop off .

Forget the trial crap and prison anything.
They get caught and don't have the correct documentation on them and no credible electronic ID trail that can be confirmed they go to a local lock up for 48 hours so that if they have someone who can verify them and claim them to be here legally they have the time to be found and rescued.

Otherwise we hand them a paper bag with a loaf of government commodity bread, cheese and meat plus a 12 pack of water and roll of toilet paper with a note printed in multiple languages that says
"Use this wisely. you're likely going to be traveling for several days before you get any more and thanks for visiting America! "
and stick them on the equivalent of a low level prisoner transport bus that hauls them to a refitted livestock exportation train (low level prisoners transport setup AKA a weather tight livestock transport car with benches and a toilet) that hauls their ass south like livestock to where we dump them in containment areas on the border that only have one way out to the south into Mexico even if they aren't Mexican illegals. $50 a head tops.

As far as I am concerned if they are here illegally with no visitors visa and a plan to leave because it expired they are not US citizen class people. They are walking talking cattle and can be treated and transported as such.

Heck as for paying for it put up a 'Support you're local illegals going home fund.' collection and gift carding system where you can buy a offical 'I sponsored getting an illegal home!' proof of donation memorabilia at every gas station grocery store and place of business to give to your family and friends on those special holidays like you buy a save the animals or save the children type charitable contribution what not.
Heck, make it a tax deductible purchase too!

Hey Ron, How bad did you get hit on your taxes this year? "Uh, No hit at all TCM! I sponsored 370 illegals in going home to their families and got a $1000 refund! Ain't I a nice guy?!

Yea, sometimes I feel the same way. Did you miss the part about the 14th amendment?
Bogata is $744 from Tucson - little higher to Vietnam. How much from Sawyer?

 

Yea, sometimes I feel the same way. Did you miss the part about the 14th amendment?
Bogata is $744 from Tucson - little higher to Vietnam. How much from Sawyer?

I don't know. My Ex told me tickets to Turkey were around $950 the other week which is not bad being we paid that much per person about three years ago to fly over and pick up her daughter and bring one of her parents home to stay with us on a visitors visa for a year.

She wanted to go visit them again so I said I would go and pay my ticket plus half kiddos ticket too just for the opportunity to travel over there again but she doesn't have the money to cover her half of things. (as always.)

Kinda funny to me being she wanted the divorce because 'I was some unemployed bum without a job or money that doesn't want to work' according to her yet I was the one who had and always has had money and employment of some sort to do things in life with.
Going back to being self employed after the oil fields started shutting down and refusing to waste good money on her stupid crap is not the same as being unemployed and broke. She still disagrees and I still pay for our meals when we get together every week to go out and eat.

 

I can't recall so much enthusiasm about a new regime, although they did give Obama a Nobel prize before he'd done anything to earn it.

I don't expect Trump to be getting a call from the Nobel committee.

My opine of the Nobel Peace Prize was cheapened by awarding it for non-action. Remember when Arafat won the Nobel Peace award back during the Carter Administration. It's nice that they solved the Middle East problem back then. Oh wait, the Middle East problem continues to this day. Damm, another mark against the Nobel Peace prize.

 

For the record. I am not in favor of illegal immigration, I just see no benefit from trying to deport the ones already here.

Same argument put forth three decades ago when we had a 1 million illegal immigration problem. Amnesty was the answer. Here we are three decades later with a 11 million illegal immigration problem. The answer is not more of the same.

Personally, I'd like to see the current laws enforced. If one doesn't like the law's, work to change them. Hell, I might join you in the fight when I see that the law doesn't work.

 

Did you get a check?

Those senior citizens who filed their taxes certainly got a check. Those that normally don't file, because they had no earned income, were reminded to file to get that "free" $300.

Yes, I know alot who got the "making work pay" credit as well. Those that didn't need to fire their tax professional.

I've known a bunch who jumped on that $7500 First Time Homeowners Credit. I reminded them to take an additional 50 per month out of their check to cover that expense for the next 15 years. I've also seen some who wanted to trade that 7500 payback loan for that new 8000 non payback grant. Unfortunately, that did not happen. I've also seen those who applied for that 7500, without any evidence of buying a home ... then later, the IRS added the requirement for the hud-1 form to cut down on the fraud.

So yeah, I've known plenty who "got a check."

 

Those senior citizens who filed their taxes certainly got a check. Those that normally don't file, because they had no earned income, were reminded to file to get that "free" $300.

Yes, I know alot who got the "making work pay" credit as well. Those that didn't need to fire their tax professional.

I've known a bunch who jumped on that $7500 First Time Homeowners Credit. I reminded them to take an additional 50 per month out of their check to cover that expense for the next 15 years. I've also seen some who wanted to trade that 7500 payback loan for that new 8000 non payback grant. Unfortunately, that did not happen. I've also seen those who applied for that 7500, without any evidence of buying a home ... then later, the IRS added the requirement for the hud-1 form to cut down on the fraud.

So yeah, I've known plenty who "got a check."

Bet most of them spent it too.