Australia is crazy, Covid.

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nsaspook

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https://www.npr.org/sections/health...-now-go-unmasked-in-many-parts-of-the-country
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention announced Friday it is relaxing its mask guidance for communities where hospitals aren't under high strain. Under the new guidance, nearly 70% of the U.S. population lives in areas considered to be low or medium risk and residents there are advised they can go indoors without masks.
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As part of the change, the CDC is dropping its recommendation for universal school masking and instead will recommend masking only in communities at a high level of risk.
Finally the CDC is catching up to reality.
 

nsaspook

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https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national...ommunity-cases-outnumbering-border-ones-group

'No reason' left for MIQ with Covid-19 community cases outnumbering border ones
Nineteen cases were detected at the border yesterday. The 12,000 community cases recorded yesterday are 630 times more than those border cases.

People returning to New Zealand still must spend seven days in a quarantine hotel, even if they have tested negative before flying.
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"The question now for Kiwis wanting to come home is: 'do I want to expose myself to Covid in New Zealand?', not the other way around. New Zealand presents more of a risk to returning travellers than [vice versa]."
 

nsaspook

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How the worm has turned.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/worl...americans-to-avoid-travel-to-new-zealand.html

Centers for Disease Control and Prevention urges Americans to avoid travel to New Zealand
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) on Monday urged Americans to avoid travel to Hong Kong, New Zealand and Thailand over COVID-19 cases.

The CDC elevated its travel recommendation to "Level Four: Very High" for the three destinations. In total, the CDC urges Americans to avoid travel to more than 130 countries and territories.

"Avoid travel to New Zealand. If you must travel to New Zealand, make sure you are vaccinated and up to date with your COVID-19 vaccines before travel," The CDC says.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-03...vel-to-new-zealand-over-covid-surge/100891788
New Zealand has recorded its highest daily coronavirus case numbers since the pandemic started as the Omicron variant drives community transmission, leading US authorities to warn Americans against travelling to the country.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-03-08/australia-covid-19-deaths-and-mortality/100857462

Life. Death. COVID-19
 

panic mode

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so... how does one explain what is happening in New Zealand? country was completely isolated / quarantined, population was vaccinated more than anyone in the world and still - Covid does not care.

looks like lockdowns, mask mandates and multiple shots of vaccine are just not as good as advertised. the narrative was wrong all along. the vaccine was weak at best even for original strain and it seem to be next to useless with newer ones. people that die are the elderly or those with compromised health. and the reports are all but accurate, designed to get more funding, not to have best interest of population.

in Canada they are quietly starting to roll back the numbers.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/covid19-ontario-march-11-1.6381330

similarly when CDC suggests do not go to NZ, they are just fear mongering. yes, if you are using walker or are bedridden and have tubes attached to your arm and the person you see the most is your nurse - do not travel. there is little evidence that healthy people need to worry about it.
 

Audioguru again

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It is summer in New Zealand, they are allowing travelers to bring the virus there.
Only 3% of the population are unvaccinated then 97% are vaccinated but the hospitals have way more than 3% of the population
as Covid-19 hospital cases (20.5% of the hospital Covid-19 cases are unvaccinated.)

The local government in my area of Canada is dropping most mandates in a few days because the average number of people in the population are vaccinated. But some schools have a very low rate of vaccinations (the parents are anti-vaxxers) then some parents will not allow their kids to go to school where there are unvaccinated kids running around and spreading the virus without masks.
 

panic mode

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I am pretty sure they are dropping it because it did not work and everyone is tired of it.
There is nothing wrong to say "we don't know".
Wrong is to claim to know for sure, torture population of entire country with medical experiments and then pretend that nothing happened.
 

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They are dropping the mandates because the convoy protesters won the war.
Instead of jailing the woman protest organizer for 20 years, they released her.
Are the taxpayers going to pay for the policing, store closures and blocked border crossings of important products caused by the protesters?

For 3 months my heart has frequently missed heartbeats but now it is almost fine. I had an ECG 2 weeks ago that was almost fine and in 2 days I get an echo-cardiogram then see my heart doctor. I thought it was caused by the vaccine but now I read that the virus frequently causes it in old geezers like me. I am with 3 doses of vaccine so if I got the virus I didn't notice any other symptoms but maybe my heart did. If I wasn't vaccinated then I would probably have died by the virus.
 

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Maybe my grandson gave me the virus when he went to school before he got vaccinated. He was lucky that a mandate closed schools and another mandate forced masks and social distancing when the more serious Delta variant was common.
 

nsaspook

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Enjoy the spring and the rest of your life. In NA, the pandemic emergency is over because life is short even without Covid-19.
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panic mode

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it is interesting how everyone who was supportive of forced mandates is now singing kumbaya and trying to pretend that nothing happened.
 

nsaspook

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it is interesting how everyone who was supportive of forced mandates is now singing kumbaya and trying to pretend that nothing happened.
It's called following the science (the science for masking was always thin and based mainly on fear) and data. When things are effective it's a good idea, then conditions change (Omicron infections), we should change with them instead of being dogmatically for and against X because of personal reasons. The science based reasons for mandates vanished, so the mandates have vanished. This is the way things should work.
 

panic mode

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yes proper science tests things, welcomes questions and challenges and makes corrections according to evidence.

but that is not what happened. instead of encouraging dialogue and flow of ideas, people were silenced, ostracized, banned, fired from work, business were ruined based on "science", healthy people were forced into lockdowns, there were calls to stop providing healthcare to those who did not want the vaccine, on this very forum there were calls to tattoo the foreheads of unvaccinated, economy and lives ware ruined because of dogma and bad science.

i understand when people are afraid and that everyone makes mistakes. but so many people have been hurt and wronged, pretty sure they will not be forgetting this any time soon. it would be nice if someone would apologize for their part in hysteria and witch hunt of the "others".
 

nsaspook

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yes proper science tests things, welcomes questions and challenges and makes corrections according to evidence.

but that is not what happened. instead of encouraging dialogue and flow of ideas, people were silenced, ostracized, banned, fired from work, business were ruined based on "science", healthy people were forced into lockdowns, there were calls to stop providing healthcare to those who did not want the vaccine, on this very forum there were calls to tattoo the foreheads of unvaccinated, economy and lives ware ruined because of dogma and bad science.

i understand when people are afraid and that everyone makes mistakes. but so many people have been hurt and wronged, pretty sure they will not be forgetting this any time soon. it would be nice if someone would apologize for their part in hysteria and witch hunt of the "others".
No, there were plenty of plainly and intentionally wrong ideas dumped on the worlds stage that needed to silenced, ostracized, banned because they were hurting and killing people. I will never apologize for trying to stop that at the source. The calls to make people who believed that crap become 2nd class citizens was counterproductive and IMO morally bankrupt.
 

Audioguru again

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Mandates kept the sick unvaccinated people away from the people who are old like me or who must not be vaccinated.
Since most people are vaccinated then the mandates did not affect us. Even the mask was no problem.

Vaccines are safe and effective then of course antivaxxers were fired from their jobs and refused admission into many places.

The average lifetime of a Canadian is longer than the lifetime of an American because most Canadians do not carry a gun.
Criminals caught by Canadian police have guns from "guess where".
Maybe most Americans get sunburned and instead Canadians cool down in the snow.
 

panic mode

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there were plenty of plainly and intentionally wrong ideas dumped on the worlds stage

that i agree with. there was a lot of misinformation and coverup like never before.

like put the blinds on the origin of the virus. just hide it, sweep the evidence under the rug. do not question if this came from a lab. science... stop questioning... and it just so happens to have genome sequence that Moderna has patent on it. somehow 30000 nucleotide viral genome miraculously happens to match 100% the US patent 9,587,003 and this is the exact part that makes it so virulent and easy to spread.

just like dogma "only unvaccinated can spread virus" and "if you get vaccine, you wont get Covid".

just like 1bn dollars spent on "positive spin" propaganda. (well we do not want to report things the way they are, just put the rainbow goggles and pretend things are pretty)

just like science of the Covid PCR tests that of course do not work. any time DNA traces are studied they need to be multiplied. it is common to go up to 16x as higher number of cycles only increases errors. in many legal jurisdictions anything multiplies to 24x or more is dismissed as unacceptable and inconclusive at best. but the PCR tests multiply 44x which is why results are such garbage. 50% false positives and we will just take the word for it that there are no false negatives. because we just need to believe what we are told and no need for independent testing and confirming if this is any good.

and the science on this is so strong, bunch of truckers obliterated it.

some cows and automotive parts got stuck or delayed by 10 days and that affected the bottom line of someone wealthy. THAT is what changed. it did not matter when normal people were forced out of job but inconvenience someone important and emergency powers are used against peaceful protesters.

so please, cut the BS...
 
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