Australia is crazy, Covid.

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nsaspook

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The Covid vaccination rate in Denmark is high like here in Canada. But many medical experts say it is too soon to drop restrictions.
Many poor countries like USA have low vaccination rates.
Those 'poor' North American people in the Northwest Territories! :eek:
https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coron...erica-for-covid-19-cases-per-capita-1.5785855
Despite most provinces reporting a downward trend in COVID-19 cases, the Northwest Territories continues to see a surge -- believed to be driven by the Omicron variant -- ranking it first in North America for cases per capita.

According to CTVNews.ca’s tracker, Northwest Territories ranks first when it comes to recent cases per capita, with 2,793 average daily cases per million residents -- an infection rate higher than any other jurisdiction in Canada or the United States.
https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coron...ndemic-measures-to-lift-experts-say-1.5785151
With several Canadian provinces set to lift mask mandates in the next few weeks, health experts say the timing is right for strict measures to be eased.

Alberta, Saskatchewan, Manitoba, Prince Edward Island, and Newfoundland and Labrador have all set dates for the end of provincial mask mandates after national health officials said the peak of Omicron in Canada has passed.

Dr. Isaac Bogoch, an infectious disease specialist at the University of Toronto, said that a province-by-province approach to lifting or reinstating pandemic measures is appropriate as Canada moves forward.
 

Audioguru again

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We banned unvaccinated people from flying or driving across the border.
USA did the same.
Both of our countries did it too late so the variants got in and spread around.
 

Audioguru again

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Northwest Territories is Way Up North.
The population of Northwest Territories is only 44 thousand. Many of them speak two Eskimo languages I never heard of.
Their income must be so low that there are no statistics.
Poor people like them have a low vaccination rate and a high Covid infection rate like most antivaxxers.
 

nsaspook

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https://www.thedailybeast.com/fox-news-anchor-neil-cavuto-returns-from-5-week-covid-pneumonia-battle
He continued of his battle against the deadly virus: “This was scary. How scary? I’m talking, ‘Ponderosa suddenly out of the prime rib in the middle of the buffet line scary!’ That’s how scary. No matter, I’m not here to debate vaccinations for you. Just offer an explanation for me. I owed you that.”

After first testing positive for the virus in Oct. 2021, Cavuto pleaded with the network’s viewers to get their vaccines: “Life is too short to be an ass,” he said at the time. “Stop the deaths. Stop the suffering. Please, get vaccinated.”
 

justtrying

Joined Mar 9, 2011
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Northwest Territories is Way Up North.
The population of Northwest Territories is only 44 thousand. Many of them speak two Eskimo languages I never heard of.
Their income must be so low that there are no statistics.
Poor people like them have a low vaccination rate and a high Covid infection rate like most antivaxxers.
Your statistics are off. I live in an area with very high native population, surrounded by all native villages. Since the start of the pandemic they have been first to get the vaccines and have very high vaccination rate. Despite this (and despite heavy travel restrictions), every time there is a new variant, they have heaviest case loads per capita.

For NWT - https://globalnews.ca/news/8254124/northwest-territories-covid-19-canada/

The article is from october, but has up to date stats.
 

DickCappels

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It is suicide for antivaxxers who avoid getting vaccinated. It is dangerous for anybody who gets near them.
You are preaching as if it were 2021....it is now 2022 and that train left the station when Omicron swept onto the picture. Even Australia is starting to get real.

A friend in Queensland has health issues and is very scared of what a vaccination might do to him. Today he noted that he can leave Australia and go into Israel unvaxxed but he can't get back into Australia. Yet.
 

nsaspook

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https://www.irishnews.com/news/repu...nt-to-wear-a-mask-to-end-in-republic-2595580/

There will be no legal requirement to wear a mask in the Republic from February 28, the tánaiste has announced.

Leo Varadkar said there will be no legal requirement to wear a mask in any setting, but it will still be advised on public transport and in healthcare settings.

Speaking after a meeting of the Cabinet today, Mr Varadkar also announced the requirement for pods, staggered breaks, masks and physical distancing in schools will also end on February 28.

He said while it will be a “more normal school and childcare experience” from Monday, some measures will remain in place including recommendations around good hygiene, ventilation and advice for children to stay at home when sick.
 

Audioguru again

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I believe the scientists and medical experts who say that the vaccine saves lives and prevents many hospitalizations. Today they say for unvaccinated people to get vaccinated and for everybody else to get the important 3rd dose. Even though case counts are dropping. They know about the Omicron-2 variant that is sweeping around the world.

Israel was smart and got the vaccine months before other countries by paying double its price. That reduced the damage from the Covid virus and its variants sooner than most other countries.

Many countries are eliminating mandates, masks and vaccination passports now.
What about the newest Omicron-2 variant that is said to be worse than the original Omicron that is almost finished?
What about the variant coming next?
They say that variants are produced in unvaccinated people.
 

panic mode

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So viruses in vaccinated humans do not mutate and viruses in unvaccinated do? Anything to support that claim? As i recall viruses mutate in any body where they are ably to replicate. And there is a 10x more vaccinated people here, plus they are the ones that interact with others since they do not have same restrictions... And
omicron did start in Africa but omicron2 did not...
 

DickCappels

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I believe that it is the vaccinated that provides the selective pressure for the virus mutant that is resistant to emerge without competition from the viruses susceptible to the results of vaccinations (in Australia, to keep on topic : -)

I also believe that the mRNA vaccines and the new protein vaccine that promote antibodies ready to detect the protein spikes that are found on the SARS-CoV-2 virus, and nothing more are next to useless against the latest strains because of their limited capabilities. That was a $50+ billion expense that never lived up to its promises. SAFE and EFFECTIVE?

If you think back over the last 20 or 30 years, various groups have been continuously scaring us into doing what those groups wanted. Sometimes I feel like a rat in a rope climbing contest with college-age kids blasting an air horn at me from below to get me to climb faster.Yeah, that was a thing a while back. in Australia, to keep on topic : -)
 
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Audioguru again

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I read the opposite about anibodies. The experts said that immunity from an unvaccinated person surviving having the virus is useless against another mutation.
But they say the vaccine works against another mutation.

I was vaccinated when the original Covid Chinese virus was spread all over the world then I got the 2nd dose when the Delta mutation from India was common. Then I got the 3rd dose when Omicron was not even started in South Africa. I am well protected against it and the next mutations.

Yes, the Covid vaccine is safe and effective which is why so many people are protected by it. Even in Australia and many other countries where they are dropping restrictions.
Most of us and Australians also got the other 11 important vaccines (Polio etc).
 

justtrying

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I read the opposite about anibodies. The experts said that immunity from an unvaccinated person surviving having the virus is useless against another mutation.
But they say the vaccine works against another mutation.

I was vaccinated when the original Covid Chinese virus was spread all over the world then I got the 2nd dose when the Delta mutation from India was common. Then I got the 3rd dose when Omicron was not even started in South Africa. I am well protected against it and the next mutations.

Yes, the Covid vaccine is safe and effective which is why so many people are protected by it. Even in Australia and many other countries where they are dropping restrictions.
Most of us and Australians also got the other 11 important vaccines (Polio etc).
Antibodies are the immediate and most basic response to an infection. Developing target specific antibodies fast is the goal. How we get there is still not very well known. Please read up on B and T cells. These are key in long term immunity.

The goal should not be to keep poking your immune system to maintain a level of antibodies circulating in your blood. That is not how immune system works and will lead to catastrophic failure long term.
 

Audioguru again

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What is said about the Covid vaccine is pure speculation from an antivaxx truck driver or from a scientist or medical doctor expert.
Since I got my 3rd dose of the Pfizer vaccine I have tinnitus in my hearing and an irregular heartbeat. They could be coincidence.
I looked them up.

Yes, vaccinated people have reported these problems but unvaxxed people also have them. Many are old like me (76).

Case counts and hospitalizations are dropping but the new Omicron-2 mutation is active and is coming soon. That is why scientists and medical doctor experts are pleading for unvaxxed people to get vaccinated and for ages 12 and up to get the 3rd dose.
 

panic mode

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so again you are not going to back your claim, just add more things into the mix.
first you stated that people who already successfully beat Covid on their own, somehow stand no chance against Covid. you seem to have a crystal ball that predicts what future variants will be and what will work and what not. when asked to provide reliable reference that backs that claim, you are suggesting that both vaccinated and unvaccinated can have tinnitus?
those two things have nothing in common...
 
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