Analog multimeter needle "offset"

jpanhalt

Joined Jan 18, 2008
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Have you tried a watch hand remover, which is similar to a gear remover but on a much smaller scale?
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In your initial post, you mentioned that with a fixed voltage, the needle came to rest in various positions. To me, that does not mean you need more "grease." If the movement is jeweled, it's rare to need oil, except maybe after cleaning. A couple of years ago the temperature gauge on my tractor acted like that. To me, it was obvious the needle was slipping and was easily fixed. Saved $50.

My watchmaker tools are more than 50 years old. Don't use them every year, but they have proved well worth what I paid for them.
 

jpanhalt

Joined Jan 18, 2008
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I did not mean to imply it was identical to a watch movement. Nevertheless, the needle is attached to a shaft, as was the temperature gauge on my tractor, and not "physically" connected directly to and only to the spring coil.

It's on a shaft, and that connection can become loose. Here's a typical D'Arsonval movement:


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Maybe you can show how you think the needle is attached?
 

KeithWalker

Joined Jul 10, 2017
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I did not mean to imply it was identical to a watch movement. Nevertheless, the needle is attached to a shaft, as was the temperature gauge on my tractor, and not "physically" connected directly to and only to the spring coil.

It's on a shaft, and that connection can become loose. Here's a typical D'Arsonval movement:


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Maybe you can show how you think the needle is attached?
This is how the needle is usually attached on a moving coil meter. It is fastened directly to the coil, with the hairspring and bearings mounted above it.

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Elerion

Joined Sep 11, 2017
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Is it ok if the needle is not sticky, but the meter is only accurate when placed horizontal (or almost horizontal)? The readings are about 2-3% lower when used in vertical position? Tested on Vdc and ohms. Is this common for analog (passive) multimeters?
 

KeithWalker

Joined Jul 10, 2017
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Is it ok if the needle is not sticky, but the meter is only accurate when placed horizontal (or almost horizontal)? The readings are about 2-3% lower when used in vertical position? Tested on Vdc and ohms. Is this common for analog (passive) multimeters?
If they are properly balanced, they should read the same in any attitude. Here is the way to re-balance it - thanks to W. R. Triplett

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Elerion

Joined Sep 11, 2017
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If they are properly balanced, they should read the same in any attitude. Here is the way to re-balance it - thanks to W. R. Triplett
Thank you!
Just in case I didn't get it right, when the instructions say "horizontal position", is it like when the meter is layed on a table (like in this picture)?
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Is "vertical position" like the regular position of a Simpson or AVO?
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MrChips

Joined Oct 2, 2009
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I would adjust the zero adjustment on the front face of the meter for your most common orientation of the meter.
Don't lose sweat when the meter is oriented differently.
Otherwise its time to move on to a DMM (digital multimeter).
 

KeithWalker

Joined Jul 10, 2017
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Thank you!
Just in case I didn't get it right, when the instructions say "horizontal position", is it like when the meter is layed on a table (like in this picture)?
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Is "vertical position" like the regular position of a Simpson or AVO?
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Yes, that is correct.
If you need to adjust the side weights, it is easier to just bend the needle slightly, close to the coil, towards the light side rather than mess with the weights. If you do that, you will need to re-adjust the zero.
 
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