Alternative to LM7705

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fluxanode

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That would depend on what your circuit does. How about posting a diagram?
It's pretty simple, using a ADA4091-4 op amp with a single 5v+ supply the V- terminal is biased to a -0.232 voltage so the negative rail can reach 0 volts. See the attached data sheet for a description.

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Ian0

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Have you thought of any ways to avoid the need for a negative supply altogether? That would be an advantage, because it eliminates the hard-to-get IC and it avoids any potential damage to your analogue input and it avoids any possible problems with noise from the LM7705.
DO you have a spare A/D input?
If so, you could make a reference for the analogue circuitry at, say, 1.2V (because there are plenty of 1.2V references available), or even just a diode. It doesn't even matter if it drifts with temperature. Then connect the reference to one A/D the signal to another and subtract. You might even have differential A/D inputs. Where do the inputs to the op-amp come from?
 

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fluxanode

Joined Mar 23, 2014
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Have you thought of any ways to avoid the need for a negative supply altogether? That would be an advantage, because it eliminates the hard-to-get IC and it avoids any potential damage to your analogue input and it avoids any possible problems with noise from the LM7705.
DO you have a spare A/D input?
If so, you could make a reference for the analogue circuitry at, say, 1.2V (because there are plenty of 1.2V references available), or even just a diode. It doesn't even matter if it drifts with temperature. Then connect the reference to one A/D the signal to another and subtract. You might even have differential A/D inputs. Where do the inputs to the op-amp come from?
Are you suggesting making a differential input using two ADC Inputs? I'm not sure on how this will help. The circuit is designed to take a 4-20ma signal, drop it across a 250Ω resistor giving 1-5 volts. This signal goes to the opamp + input. A 1v ref is input on the - input. The gain on the opamp results in a 0-5 volt input to the ADC. In order to reach "0" rail on the opamp a small negative bias is used for the negative power rail of the opamp.
 

Ian0

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Are you suggesting making a differential input using two ADC Inputs? I'm not sure on how this will help. The circuit is designed to take a 4-20ma signal, drop it across a 250Ω resistor giving 1-5 volts. This signal goes to the opamp + input. A 1v ref is input on the - input. The gain on the opamp results in a 0-5 volt input to the ADC. In order to reach "0" rail on the opamp a small negative bias is used for the negative power rail of the opamp.
So why do you need the op-amp? Connect one end of the 250Ω resistor to ground, and connect the other end to the A/D input.
250Ω is plenty low enough to drive an A/D input.
If it's a 12-bit A/D subtract 819 from the A/D reading. If you need the full 0-4096 output, multiply by 5 and shift two places right. You will lose some resolution, but it's less than 1 bit.
(If your processor doesn't multiply, save the reading, shift two places left, add the saved reading and then shift two places right)
 

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fluxanode

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So why do you need the op-amp? Connect one end of the 250Ω resistor to ground, and connect the other end to the A/D input.
250Ω is plenty low enough to drive an A/D input.
If it's a 12-bit A/D subtract 819 from the A/D reading. If you need the full 0-4096 output, multiply by 5 and shift two places right. You will lose some resolution, but it's less than 1 bit.
(If your processor doesn't multiply, save the reading, shift two places left, add the saved reading and then shift two places right)
Because i need an op amp and you should always have a buffer before a A/D converter. I just looking for an answer to the neg biasing
 

Ian0

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you should always have a buffer before a A/D converter.
Who told you that?
Most A/D converters have high impedance inputs. SAR types have a sample and hold capacitor that you have to charge up, but if you leave long enough, or your source impedance is low enough there is no need for a buffer.
 
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