So... you would pay another man to humiliate you and compensate for your lack of motivation and laziness.

Sounds like a new age market, alright.

 

Every enlistment was 6 years ... four years active service and two years inactive service. At least it was when I investigated the AF, Navy, and Coast Guard.

Naturally, if necessary during your inactive service, they required your services, you became the force multiplier they needed.

Thank you for your service as well as all the veterans on these boards. You've all done a service to your nation.

 

Ummm ! pardon me, mind telling just WTH is boot camp?

 

I found a brand new, quite interesting website, the other day which shows all the recorded bombs dropped on London during the blitz.

Basically a massive red splat.

http://bombsight.org/

No way !! Seriously?....

 

Ummm ! pardon me, mind telling just WTH is boot camp?

Bootcamp is basic military training

 

So... you would pay another man to humiliate you and compensate for your lack of motivation and laziness.

I don't know, not right now, but later in my life if I am feeling very out of shape and very unmotivated I might. I think some people definitely would. People already pay for personal trainers and pseudo "boot camp" programs to compensate for their lack of motivation and laziness, but I don't perceive these trainers and programs to have all the necessary tools at their disposal to achieve results in the most unmotivated people.

This really isn't a new concept. People pay for others to make up for their laziness every day; a maid to clean the house, a landscaper to mow the lawn, etc. Depending how far you want to take it, just about any service could be described as "paying another person to compensate for your own laziness." For example, I cut my own hair, you go to a barber, therefore you are too lazy to cut your own hair, and are paying someone else to compensate for that. The only new part, is the humiliation, and all that is, is a tool, like the barber's scissors, to get the job done. And it is the BEST tool in situations like this, and the tool that the civilian outfits lack.

The other tool that civilian outfits lack is the bondage aspect. You don't get to go home until you meet the requirements. You voluntarily signed over your rights to your own life, and your release is contingent upon your own progress. Like committing yourself to a rehab institution. I believe that being obese and unmotivated can be just as hopeless as being addicted to chemical substances. We've learned that weening oneself off of chemical substances can sometimes only be achieved with help, and forced isolation from your daily life, your usual surroundings, your world full of temptations.

 

Every enlistment was 6 years ... four years active service and two years inactive service. At least it was when I investigated the AF, Navy, and Coast Guard.

It's 8 years these days. My IRR time just expired yesterday. I'm 100% civilian now.

 

I don't know, not right now, but later in my life if I am feeling very out of shape and very unmotivated I might. I think some people definitely would. People already pay for personal trainers and pseudo "boot camp" programs to compensate for their lack of motivation and laziness, but I don't perceive these trainers and programs to have all the necessary tools at their disposal to achieve results in the most unmotivated people.

This really isn't a new concept. People pay for others to make up for their laziness every day; a maid to clean the house, a landscaper to mow the lawn, etc. Depending how far you want to take it, just about any service could be described as "paying another person to compensate for your own laziness." For example, I cut my own hair, you go to a barber, therefore you are too lazy to cut your own hair, and are paying someone else to compensate for that. The only new part, is the humiliation, and all that is, is a tool, like the barber's scissors, to get the job done. And it is the BEST tool in situations like this, and the tool that the civilian outfits lack.

The other tool that civilian outfits lack is the bondage aspect. You don't get to go home until you meet the requirements. You voluntarily signed over your rights to your own life, and your release is contingent upon your own progress. Like committing yourself to a rehab institution. I believe that being obese and unmotivated can be just as hopeless as being addicted to chemical substances. We've learned that weening oneself off of chemical substances can sometimes only be achieved with help, and forced isolation from your daily life, your usual surroundings, your world full of temptations.

I agree with a lot of what you say untill I got a high paying job that paid out by the hour. Then many times it was cheaper to send someone else to go do what I had to do then loose hours. If I make $30 an hour and I need to do something at 4 and get off at 5. I'd pay $15 for a friend or someone to go pick up dinner or laundry just because time is money when you get to a certain point and eventually it makes sense to pay someone else to run you errons.

 

@ strantor

I don't think it's the same. You go to the barber's because you can't possibly cut your own hair and your wife isn't skilled enough to cut it properly, not because you 're lazy.

If you 're paying someone to cut your lawn because you work 12/7 or because your arthritis doesn't let you get off your chair, then I find that a pretty good excuse.

On the other hand, paying someone to oversee you while you work out, during a time where you, actively, are supposed to do the effort, doesn't sound very logical.

Let it be noted that I find usefulness in the gym trainer position, who you might need to guide you through an exercise correctly.

 

I thank Dawkins that I have never had to endure Boot Camp.

A sincere thank you to those that have devoted part or all of their lives to defending their country.

I owe a great debt (was that a quote from Churchill - not sure)

...but seriously, I really admire those who sacrifice all to help others.

 

I agree with that. I don't see a need for physical trainers at all. I have a physical therapist but thats way different. and of coarse I wouldn't cut my hair or anything. But mowing the lawn, picking up food or laundry, doing shopping, etc.. I can see if your making lots of money and have to choose between work, family, and errons. I'd glady pay someone to do the menial errons so I could spend more time with my famile.

 

I thank Dawkins that I have never had to endure Boot Camp.

A sincere thank you to those that have devoted part or all of their lives to defending their country.

I owe a great debt (was that a quote from Churchill - not sure)

...but seriously, I really admire those who sacrifice all to help others.

Sorry accidentally mentioned military.

 

So... you would pay another man to humiliate you and compensate for your lack of motivation and laziness.

Sounds like a new age market, alright.

In the US and maybe also Japan. I think they have civil/private boot camps. The idea behind a boot camp. Is kind of first strip you from all kinds of whims and selfishness. Then build you up again. To be able to function in a team.

 

In the US and maybe also Japan. I think they have civil/private boot camps. The idea behind a boot camp. Is kind of first strip you from all kinds of whims and selfishness. Then build you up again. To be able to function in a team.

Some day in April 2008, at St Hanshaugen in Oslo.

Norwegian article in Aftenposten

Says basically that "we want discipline."

 

I need to send these drug addicts we have here to boot camp.!

Is there any way I can do tht.

Gotta teach these hooligans to show some respect to others

 

It's 8 years these days. My IRR time just expired yesterday. I'm 100% civilian now.

I believe that if you enlist for a guranteed training, it requires an initial six year committment, followed by the two year IRR. That too was around in the 70s.

Everything has a price ... In the military it was typically a 2 for 1 committement. I know those that went to college for two years (advanced training, your duty station is the college), it was a four year committment on top of the two years you spent at college.

 

I got to get into boot camp. I need some lessons in self defense and also some underground lessons in how to over throw a government.

 

<sigh> Please, no politics, especially revolutions.

 

I believe that if you enlist for a guranteed training, it requires an initial six year committment, followed by the two year IRR. That too was around in the 70s.

Everything has a price ... In the military it was typically a 2 for 1 committement. I know those that went to college for two years (advanced training, your duty station is the college), it was a four year committment on top of the two years you spent at college.

One of my CAP cadets got an Academy appointment and he eventually turned it down. By the time everything was added up and he got through pilot training and served his comittment, he was looking at a total of thirteen years, counting the time at the Academy. He concluded that, at the age of 18, he lacked the wisdom and maturity to make that kind of commitment. It was both sad and ironic - the people that are actually the best prepared to make such a commitment are the very people least likely to do so.

 

Wbahn,

No doubt. Later when they think about it, the is always talks of wishing they made it.