I'm not trolling you -- just mentioning a recent report that I heard that I thought some might find interesting. To the best of my knowledge, the report was not referring to you specifically, but rather just general results from their research. And remember, the point of the research had nothing to do with whether the speaker actually was or was not intelligent, or whether they were or weren't trying to impress anyone, but merely looked at the impression that was made on their audience.

And here we have an excellent argument for emoticons -- I had hoped my use of '' and '' would forestall any impression that I was truly accusing you of 'trolling' -- I assure you that I was not! - Nor am I so 'thin skinned' as to take offense where none was manifest or intended

As regards the report -- it has been my experience and observation that a speaker's 'reception' is down to 'the three Cs' (To wit: content, context and coherence) -- Beyond that, assumption of the audience's intellect and education can't hurt!

Very best regards
HP

 

the person was trying to show off their impressive vocabulary at the expense of effective communication.

IMO, Not Trolling. That's the sentence that almost rings true with me, except HP seems to believe she is addressing people who expect to be addressed in her manner, and that makes all the difference between sincerity and showboating. HP might examine several websites entertaining high-tech people in conversation and find that she is still unique. (I'm sure it would require a lot less time than checking the quality of 10 vacuum pumps!) In contradiction, HP might point me to a few sites where her style is SOP. If they exist, I suspect they will be inhabited by British people. If British = true, we are merely looking at the difference between American and British styles.

(And I'm back to Aleph's (temporary)(overly) global claim of, "condescending".)
Either everybody else (by the millions) is condescending or HP is unique. I have no problem with unique people, I instinctively like them, but I swear to Dog it takes 5X as many brain cells for me to read posts by HP. I make the effort because she's really smart about a lot of things, but it's always a judgement about how much effort I'm willing to pay for the rewards. (The High Voltage Thread exceeded that threshold a long time ago. I peek occasionally, but I predict that I will never read the whole Thread.)

ps, The writing style of HP is not so difficult in PM. That's why I know her style is a personal choice. The skills of HP are not limiting her from visiting the lexicographical slums to communicate with me. I am grateful that her behavior acknowledges my lesser sophistication when the audience is only me.
pss, And she doesn't go "spelling Nazi" on me for using "pss" as the label for the second post script.

 

But then it's neither about my intellect nor appearance thereof -- it is, rather, about respect for the reader's intelligence! -- No amount of 'lexical shaming' will cause me to insult the readership with 'baby talk' here or elsewhere in life -- So nah!

You go HP! But I say it's not your formality as it is your lack of Y chromosomes that gets you into trouble on here! So that's prolly why my numpty routine is well tolerated too

@WBahn and @#12 Sry to play _gender card_ but that's how it looks Anyhow no hard feelings or anything like that cuz all ppl have latent biases that they aren't even consciously aware of so I don't judge ppl based on that sort of thing

 

Beyond that, assumption of the audience's intellect and education can't hurt!

And yet, at least half a dozen people on this site have told you otherwise.

ps, How does one make those "strike through" characters?

@Aleph(0) So many wrong premises that a response would be longer than the original post.

 

IMO, Not Trolling. That's the sentence that almost rings true with me, except HP seems to believe she is addressing people who expect to be addressed in her manner, and that makes all the difference between sincerity and showboating. HP might examine several websites entertaining high-tech people in conversation and find that she is still unique. (I'm sure it would require a lot less time than checking the quality of 10 vacuum pumps!) In contradiction, HP might point me to a few sites where her style is SOP. If they exist, I suspect they will be inhabited by British people. If British = true, we are merely looking at the difference between American and British styles.

(And I'm back to Aleph's (temporary)(overly) global claim of, "condescending".)
Either everybody else (by the millions) is condescending or HP is unique. I have no problem with unique people, I instinctively like them, but I swear to Dog it takes 5X as many brain cells for me to read posts by HP. I make the effort because she's really smart about a lot of things, but it's always a judgement about how much effort I'm willing to pay for the rewards. (The High Voltage Thread exceeded that threshold a long time ago. I peek occasionally, but I predict that I will never read the whole Thread.)

ps, The writing style of HP is not so difficult in PM. That's why I know her style is a personal choice. The skills of HP are not limiting her from visiting the lexicographical slums to communicate with me. I am grateful that her behavior acknowledges my lesser sophistication when the audience is only me.
pss, And she doesn't go "spelling Nazi" on me for using "pss" as the label for the second post script.

@#12 I can tell you HP has communicated like that all my life anyhow and is respected as a person who assumes intelligence of ppl she speaks and writes to! So what ur saying abt her tone in PM is just difference between addressing audience and addressing individual so I guarantee she's not talking down to you cuz she'd never do that! Also to parrot HP; It's not _English English_ it's just formal

@#12 now I'm going to ask you something! Would you have same objections to her formality if she was a guy? Cuz being serious the only time we (cuz I'm a lot more formal too out of Aleph character) catch flack as being like _highbrow_ seems to happen when we address ppl older than like 50, Just sayin'

Anyhow, like I said, no biggie! Cuz I know ppl on here forgive irritating things abt my generation too!

 

And yet, at least half a dozen people on this site have told you otherwise.

@#12 HP can speak for herself but I say only a fool tries or expects to please everyone! Cuz I say if those six+ ppl on here have masochistic need to be disrespected and talked down to Google can totally help them with that!

#12 being clear I'm not calling you or anyone on here sexist and I hope you don't think I'm _ageist_ It's just a pattern I've noticed and if there's anything to it I'm sure it's not intentional! So I say why don't we all get off each other's backs and try to get along cuz after all that's what we're here for and as far as I'm concerned we're all friends!

 

ps, How does one make those "strike through" characters?

#12 like this {s}text to be stricken{/s} except using square brackets

 

now I'm going to ask you something! Would you have same objections to her formality if she was a guy?

That is only one of your false premises, and probably the most offensive.
I have already told you that pretending to be a blonde bimbo does nothing to help your CV.
Why would you think continuously pretending to be addressing the Nobel Prize committee is better?
It's just another persona, an act, a fake person, a Very Formal Tone on a Very Normal Person (with some exceptional skills).
I don't forgive males for acting like some person they hope will be more acceptable than their true self.
Should I forgive fake personas because they are really female? That would be sexism!
Everybody here (and on dozens of other sites) is, "normal" except you and HP. You two put on masks.
All I want is an easier way to get around a continuous behavior that makes communication more difficult, not less.
I believe I have failed, permanently.

I have been all around the U.S. and in every case, a Mexican, American Indian, Negro, Cuban, even a Canadian, showed me what racism is about. Now you're showing me what sexism and ageism is about. I prefer to not deal with nasty, prejudiced behavior. That's why I don't behave like that.

 

@#12 What you just refuse to understand or pretend not to understand is that HP is NOT assuming a fake persona! How she communicates on here is how she is and has been as long as I can remember! So like I said I'm not calling you sexist I'm just saying maybe ur a product of your generation based on pattern I've seen! So no offense meant! But you should be able to see that falsely accusing ppl of pretension and calling them a phony just cuz their use of language makes you uncomfortable can be offensive too! Now I'm going to say something else! HP's usage isn't as challenging or unique as you make it out to be and you know it! #12 it makes me sad that what you started with good intent as a joke is turning ugly and you just won't let it go!

 

What you just refuse to understand or pretend not to understand is that HP is NOT assuming a fake persona!

HP has said she is using the Very Formal Tone when posting in public. A different presentation used only for certain purposes is the definition of, "fake".

you just won't let it go!

WBahn is the one who brought it up. Go blame him.

I'm not calling you sexist I'm just saying maybe ur a product of your generation based on pattern I've seen!

You didn't see that pattern in me, so take your prejudice somewhere else.

Now I'm going to show you some sexism and ageism: You're playing a child's game with me.

 

HP has said she is using the Very Formal Tone when posting in public. A different presentation used only for certain purposes is the definition of, "fake".

#12 I totally disagree! Public speaking _voice_ isn't phony it's just less interactive.

WBahn is the one who brought it up. Go blame him.

@#12 I was just talking abt your facetious claims abt having to look up words from most of HP's sentences and choose from definitions! So that's not offensive to me and u can see it's not to HP either cuz it's just good natured banter! But when it started getting ugly cuz of certain ppl (not you or Wbahn) grinding axe cuz of baggage from political threads I say that's when it should have stopped cuz there's no point in that!

You didn't see that pattern in me

@#12 You're right abt that! But it's pattern I've seen in communities of middle aged ppl of both sexes! So I admit I'm oversensitive cuz of double whammy of being millennial and female both. So since MY persona is fake and dumb I have no right being piqued abt anything ppl wrongfully assume abt me! But I don't like seeing HP harassed and called a phony for treating ppl with respect! Cuz she's totally genuine which I say is foolish of her but what you read is what she totally is!

#12 I don't blame you for being vry angry with me cuz I was making assumptions based on stereotype which ignored the good things I've learned abt you from our interaction on here So it's fair for u to say I WAS being a prejudiced _generation-ist_ but that's not who I am when I'm in cool blood. So now I know I treated you exactly the way I don't like being treated So I'm vry sry abt that!

 

Now I'm going to show you some sexism and ageism

#12 I say there's way more sexism and generationism in whoever wrote character of that girl than in male character! She's totally an embarrassment to entire human species not just her gender and generation!

You're playing a child's game with me.

#12 I say Aleph persona is basically developmentally disabled ESL student but girl in video is just exactly generational stereotype that puts me on the defensive So that's ok cuz I deserved that!

 

Ok, here's my $.02 (FWIW)

>I do not believe @#12 is a sexist or an 'ageist'!

>I do not believe @Aleph(0) is a sexist or an 'ageist'!

>My mode of expression upon these fora (including private conversations) is neither affectation nor otherwise artificial -- Hence you may fairly judge me -for better or worse- based upon same...

>I do feel that I tend to overuse 'textual flourishes' (i.e. formatting, emoticons, etc...)

>Most of all -- I feel the acrimony seen here (this time between @Aleph(0) and @#12) is upshot of misunderstanding on both sides owed, primarily, to the limitations of textual communication!

Lastly - I wish people (meaning everyone) would cease taking everything so effin' personally!

With that, I unsubscribe from this thread with condolences to @GopherT on the 'demise' of what might have been an informative topic

Sincerely, best regards all around
HP

 

I find the assault on the visual senses when different fonts, sizes, boldface, italics, and underlying are used to more than a tiny degree to be so off-putting that I generally completely ignore the post...

I skip over them most of the time also, not only because of the absurdly excessive decorations and their strain on the eyes but also because of the overwrought, florid writing style. Combined, they distract and detract from the post's content so completely that I rarely take the time to read.

 

I skip over them most of the time also, not only because of the absurdly excessive decorations and their strain on the eyes but also because of the overwrought, florid writing style. Combined, they distract and detract from the post's content so completely that I rarely take the time to read.

Ditto. Too much work. Brevity is the soul of wit and all that.

 

You go HP! But I say it's not your formality as it is your lack of Y chromosomes that gets you into trouble on here! So that's prolly why my numpty routine is well tolerated too

@WBahn and @#12 Sry to play _gender card_ but that's how it looks Anyhow no hard feelings or anything like that cuz all ppl have latent biases that they aren't even consciously aware of so I don't judge ppl based on that sort of thing

You might consider that someone that immediately jumps to the conclusion that it must be gender bias may be exhibiting some gender bias of their own.

 

@#12 now I'm going to ask you something! Would you have same objections to her formality if she was a guy? Cuz being serious the only time we (cuz I'm a lot more formal too out of Aleph character) catch flack as being like _highbrow_ seems to happen when we address ppl older than like 50, Just sayin'

I had the exact same reaction to her style long before I knew she wasn't a guy -- and I've made similar comments to numerous new posters that have thought that posting in all caps or in huge bold fonts or using all colored text was the key to getting their point across. I almost never know their gender and, if anything, assume that they are probably male since the overwhelming majority of member are. Your observation says more about your biases than ours. You observe that people over a certain age tend to react a certain way and note that people of your generation react differently to a certain communication style. But instead of concluding that there is an age-related bias regarding communication styles (which is almost certainly true), you conclude that it must be a gender issue.

 

Thread closed per TS's request.