Im in that generation and here is what I believe is wrong:

-They all believe they are special
-They all believe that everyone can end war and become united
-There is a strong sense of "I deserve this" and "I dont need to suffer or struggle"
-Lack of responsibility
-Strange sense of belief that opportunities will fall into their laps
-Live in a consumer society and therefore are wasteful
-Believe that no one must ever be offended and that the majority are always wrong

Hey @Robin Mitchell --- No worries!

As I see it you've merely said "they're young" in seven different (albeit 'spot on') ways!

As regards:

[they believe] that the majority are always wrong

Well... Sadly... they seem to have got that one right!

Very best regards
HP

 

I agree with pretty much all of the claims of the article, but disagree that this is the appropriate way to address the problem. Now, an owner of an establishment should have every right to ban wi-fi or whatever they want to from their place. No qualms there. But at the end of the day the underlying problem is that people aren't mature enough to put their damn phones away -- so is the solution really to treat them like children and set the rules for them? Or does that just reinforce the trend that has allowed so many people to become adults physically while remaining little children psychologically?

Unfortunately large numbers are little children psychologically and most of the devices are the electronic equivalent of crack. If you're 60+ then you've seen almost most every generation of electronic crack device from 60's teens with transistor radios in their ear all day to today's smartphones jacked in the ears and eyes. If they act like children then they will be treated like children. I'd like to keep government out of non-safety related device usage regulations but as you say that's not likely to happen.

 

Unfortunately large numbers are little children psychologically and most of the devices are the electronic equivalent of crack. If you're 60+ then you've seen almost most every generation of electronic crack device from 60's teens with transistor radios in their ear all day to today's smartphones jacked in the ears and eyes. If they act like children then they will be treated like children. I'd like to keep government out of non-safety related device usage regulations but as you say that's not likely to happen.

We need a study of kids that have and don't have cell phones.

 

We need a study of kids that have and don't have cell phones.

We need responsible adults to say NO. I limit my little kid's electronic device use during school days and weekends just like I limit her access to candy bars by saying eat one only. As for studies I would say look at the Mennonite/Amish type groups for cell phones usage patterns and trends.

 

I don't know what the answer is. I go to a lot of outdoor concerts in the summer, probably 3 each week. I feel bad using my iPhone when I'm at those concerts but it's often because I'm checking on the history of some great song the band is playing, or the band itself. If I feel a raindrop or see a threatening cloud, I check the weather. Does it really matter if I get the answers? No. When you have a supercomputer in your pocket, how can you not take a look? Maybe when the technology can be like a 2nd brain, we can return our focus to our present environment. I can ask "who wrote this song" while watching the band play, instead of pulling my phone out of my pocket.

Our genetic propensity to stare into the light may be hard to overcome.

 

My wife and I limit our grandkids electronic device time. In fact neither of them asked about using their tablets the past two weeks.

 

We need responsible adults to say NO. I limit my little kid's electronic device use during school days and weekends just like I limit her access to candy bars by saying eat one only. As for studies I would say look at the Mennonite/Amish type groups for cell phones usage patterns and trends.

I'm just saying you don't know that cell phones are the problem. It's only your opinion.
I don't think your idea for the Amish would be a valid test. You would need to reduce variables.
Like @wayneh I know 60 year old guys that are glued to their cell phones. Worse than him. Other than being aggravating I don't see any other effects.

 

I'm just saying you don't know that cell phones are the problem. It's only your opinion.

Sure, it's my opinion backed by laws like making it a crime to use a phone while driving but still seeing tons of people still doing it daily putting my life and others at risk.

As for the Amish, some OK cell phone usage and some don't, it might be an interesting study.
http://amishamerica.com/do-amish-use-telephones/

http://www.kgw.com/news/politics/no...hile-driving-under-expanded-ore-law/415569165

 

the Amish can text and drive .... I doubt you will see too many horses running into telephone poles.

As far as I know, using cell phones or tablets can fall under distracted driving for those operating motor vehicles.

I see the distractions all the time when I drive.

 

My kids view their cell phones as instant access to answers for any question. Restricting a cell phone / tablet access is like saying, "no, stay away from the encyclopedias!" Now, to get them to think of information instead of entertainment takes work. And that is the difference between being a parent and PARENTING.

You sad sacks of shit only want to complain about millennials because you can't face the fact that you screwed them over with all of your good intentions.
- The "I want my kids to have all the things I didn't have" fallacy. You start the road to hell with the plan that the wife has to go back to work full time when they are 4 or 5 years old so you can afford the trip to Disney. Well, you screwed them at that point because the wife is never staying home again. No homework supervision, no interesting projects or activities. The kids are just watched and kept quiet at the daycare until 5 or 6 pm. Then everyone is too busy cleaning up or tired to do interesting things, meet interesting people, visit interesting places or just take shit apart and talk about how it works.

The "two income family" is crap and any one with a calculator, a bank statement and a 1040 form and you'll see the incremental income is mostly wiped out by the cost of daycare, the higher tax bracket, the lost-time causing parents to be too tired to make dinner and restaurant bills in the thousands of dollars per year, the car mileage, the clothes, the parking, the what ever business costs or convenience costs that you would not spend money on if one parent would be at home. One parent at home is invaluable but, hey, career person and all. Gotta earn the money so you can buy the nice car because you have a long commute and you deserve it. What a cycle of crap - but blame the kids for being millennials because that is easier and you feel better about your failure as a parent (or about your kid's failure as a parent if you are a grand parent). If you have two generations of offspring in your basement - God help us all.

The other fallacy about "I want my kids to have more than I did" means you are teaching them to be spenders rather than savers. Suddenly, They do not understand money or the benefits of saving money. Half the millennials don't want anything because they've seen how owning things put their parents into credit card slavery and they don't want to be you. The other half wants everything because they've never had to decide "if I buy 'A', I can't have 'B'". They simply get both if they ask for it, or cry for it if you are a "strong parent".

Well, my kids thank the generation of crappy parents because, in this era of weak millennials, they have no competition for great jobs. My son's past two bosses might think of him as a "millenial" because he asked for a raise after 3-months on the job and quit when he didn't get it. Well, my son did have an offer for 25% more pay and better benefits so he took it. Then, six months later, he did it again. There is powerful competition out there for the "good ones". My second son has a list of companies waiting for him to graduate. He'll be fine, too. Both are engineers with good business sense, understand money, risk and hard work.

 

Unfortunately large numbers are little children psychologically and most of the devices are the electronic equivalent of crack.

Or indeed 'electronic hallucinogens' (e.g. interactive gaming, substitution of 'follows/likes' for 'risk' garnered social status, etc...) -- Seems each generation begins with a desperate struggle to escape a perceived 'dark tomorrow' only to discover the stark reality of a 'monotonous today'

How indeed youth is wasted on the young!

Best regards
HP

PS -- @Aleph(0) --- It goes without saying that the 'snowflake' sterotype applies to only a small (albeit highly visible audible) fraction of 'your generation' -- no need to take anything on this thread personally!

 

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Sure, it's my opinion backed by laws like making it a crime to use a phone while driving but still seeing tons of people still doing it daily putting my life and others at risk.

As for the Amish, some OK cell phone usage and some don't, it might be an interesting study.
http://amishamerica.com/do-amish-use-telephones/

http://www.kgw.com/news/politics/no...hile-driving-under-expanded-ore-law/415569165

I thought we were talking about cell phones making kids lazy. No??

 

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I thought we were talking about cell phones making kids lazy. No??

He has the attention span of a gnat. Maybe a millenial?

 

My kids view their cell phones as instant access to answers for any question. Restricting a cell phone / tablet access is like saying, "no, stay away from the encyclopedias!"

Be it known this, its corollaries and tragic ultimate consequence were foreseen in eerie (I daresay, frighting) detail as long ago as 1963 -- Well hey! I know reading is no longer 'in' -- Howbeit it's a very short story and well worth the read... -- Please have a look!

CEREBRUM -- Teichner

Best regards
HP

 

One of the biggest problems with millennials we want them to be us. The very same thing our parents wanted from us as well and look how that turned out?

Two common themes I am seeing is that half the people here with kids or grandkids who are now entering or have entered the working world is that either they are disappointed because their kids have rejected their life expectations or they are proudly pleased that they have followed them without question.

But what about the kids views for why they did both?

Did they reject their parents lifestyle and outlook because they have every reason to not want to follow in their footsteps or,
did they follow because they want to?
or, because they have been molded into being nothing but little versions of their parents with no real idea how to be, think and feel anything else themselves?

 

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I thought we were talking about cell phones making kids lazy. No??

Yeah, that too.

 

Well, if I have a problem with the computer I ask my grandson (a millennial) to help me. I don't drive and text, I don't drive, period! My phone dates back to the Jurassic era, I fill it up every so often with electricity so I can receive messages, can't send any. The main use is to receive calls and tell me the time.

 

As for the Amish, some OK cell phone usage and some don't, it might be an interesting study.
http://amishamerica.com/do-amish-use-telephones/

Interesting as we are in the process of getting a dog from an Amish breeder. She uses a cell phone and I noticed the barn was powered by a permanently placed 7 KW Honda Generator. My wife attended Goshen for college and asked the girl her order and she mentioned "old order". However, in the brand new pole barn we were surrounded by all the conveniences including her cell phone and I am pretty sure her husband has one also. Nice people and very good breeders. This will be our first AKC Registered dog.

 

Ron , your view of the Amish is truer than some of the others here. Or at least the Amish in my area. They are pretty modern out side the home, but still live traditional in the home. And many people see Mennonite's and think they are Amish.

 

This will be our first AKC Registered dog.

I heard you can get the Kirkland version at Costco much cheaper. There is less paperwork in the package but nearly everything else is the same.