Seems like all the money is in the internet.

Calculus? Space-time?? Who needs it.

with 4/10 being founders of facebook...

This took a strange turn. I'm hoping the world will not die under the weight of a bunch of narcissistic simpletons tweeting their duck faces and others seem to think being a dot com millionaire is the way to the future. If Facebook can get us to the newly found exoplanets, I'm all for it.

https://forum.allaboutcircuits.com/threads/earth-size-habitable-zone-planets.132559/#post-1100267

 

https://amp/s/amp.businessinsider.com/facebooks-most-ambitious-moonshot-projects-2016-4

I am really looking forward to this bright blue future, especially the promise of never having to talk to another human being at all...

 

The Earth might flip on it's axis! My son asked for help with his 401(k). While I wasn't looking he'd salted away a respectable amount. It was concentrated, now it's diversified.

 

One thing that I don't understand about millennials is that they don't see to want anything enough to work towards it. We worked for money to have a car, buy a stereo, have fun, whatever. Freedom. They don't want a car and can't be bothered to work for it. I don't get it.

I totally get it.

Do you work for things you see near zero relevance, value or practical application in your life for just to project yourself to have some level of social status you have near zero concern of care over?

If you worked hard enough you could buy yourself a brand new class A motorhome with every bell and whistle imaginable. But what exactly would the point be if you have zero interest in camping traveling or any form of recreational actions that such a machines would be of use for?

Are you going to do it just so that it can sit in your driveway so you can thumb your nose at people you don't know or care about because it will make you look like you're some well off world traveler to those who wish they had such a resource at their disposal?

That's where the millennial generation places a lot of those things values at. They have no want or need or perceive any significant value to having them whatsoever and thusly have no drive to work for them.

 

I have had fantasies about the next generation being exposed to Calculus and Space-Time early enough to naturally think in those terms because I wasn't and I know I could have done better if I hadn't been sentenced to 13 years of lowest-common-denominator public education. What I'm trying to do here is peek under the other end of the Bell Curve and see if it's occupied. (That would be the other end from the double-thumbing Snowflakes in their Safe-Zone.)

Please tell me some of the latest generation of kids are zooming into their future as fast as they can go.

I see a lot of those effects in my life as is.

There were a lot of things I was either exposed to too late to ever see any justifiable need or want to integrate it into my life or when it was presented it was done so by some arrogant idiot or drunk fool who gave me every reason to develop a great hate of it.

 

The each generation saying, "my kids are going to have it better than me" is why we're where we are now. I guess those of us that listened to our grand parents and if we were luck our great grandparents talk about how they had to live, are not going to be around for future generations. To pass down the basics of being normal human beings.

I hated my old man for being so hard on me, telling me I would never amount to anything. Telling me I was worthless. But now in my old age I can see he was, in his own way, preparing me for life. This is something that most people in today's generation aren't. Many, not all, will be in a world of hurt, when they blow through mommy, daddy, and the grandparents money after they die. They don't really have a clue or know how life is.

In closing let me just say, "hey you kids, get off my lawn!"

 

I dont know about you lot but I think facebook (and other social media) is the scum of the earth. I dont use it anymore and can say in all honesty that I am much happier because of it!

 

I think maybe there is an over generalization, I have 4 kids in that category, 2 of which purchased homes, who have children and work hard for what they want, 1 is an Escrow Officer with no children married but, chose not to have children and does what she wants with her professional Mechanic husband.

While one child chooses not to work only when he wants to and pretty much reflects everything said here.

kv

 

I dont know about you lot but I think facebook (and other social media) is the scum of the earth. I dont use it anymore and can say in all honesty that I am much happier because of it!

I agree that humans have not yet really figured out how to live with these new technologies. I see an awful lot of people at all ages that use technology as a source of customized entertainment. It seems overly important because it's 'personal' but it's still only entertainment – an amusement that occupies our mind but doesn't really accomplish anything. (I'm perfectly aware that I'm wasting my time as I write this. I have chores to do and am purposefully procrastinating.)

Kids in my day knew how to navigate, so we could find the way home to dinner. We learned to fix our own bikes. We learned how to scavenge an old engine and get it running for a go-cart. We knew how to carve and jump a creek. We built crystal radios and earned scouting badges. We talked to our neighbors.

 

It's because we quit beating the stupid out of our kids. Back in the olden days.....when a kid let the stupid out.....the parents would beat it out quickly, while it was exposed. Stupid was not allowed out.

We have let the stupid out for decades now. This is due to academic guidance. Now we all have to live in it's presence.

We must start beating the stupid again. It will take decades. We now have stupid raising and growing stupid.

Don't let your kids add to the stupid, and never listen to an academic.

Stupid doesn't come from religion.......it comes from academia. Academia is the real enemy to mankind.

Our academics today.......................never had the stupid beat out of them. This is why they don't know that they are stupid.

To an academic.......stopping stupid is an act of intimidation. It's an assault to dignity. It's immoral.

You know you're always in great danger when an academic starts talking about morality.

 

Overall I think the guy in the video made some very salient observations -- and presented things in a very informative, yet entertaining way. Oddly enough, that last point is actually another sign of the growing problem. While I certainly appreciate the entertaining element that he used, I can't help but wonder if he did so precisely because he knows that today's generations feel the need to be constantly entertained by everything and everyone, otherwise they just tune out. I think this stems from a couple of the factors he mentioned: first is impatience -- they aren't willing to devote the time and focus to learning something that might take a while, so they have to be tricked into it by making that process sufficiently "engaging"; second is entitlement -- they believe that they deserve to be entertained solely because they don't want to be bored, no matter how much the subsequent payoff might be.

A couple of points that he made (a few times) that I am not entirely on board with is the repeated claim that none of this is their fault. My immediate response is, "So what?" Everyone is saddled with things that aren't their fault, whether it stems from when they were born, where they were born, to whom they were born, you name it. I don't have a problem with pointing out that the Millenials are largely the product of factors over which they had no control, but it seemed like the point being made was that because it wasn't their fault, that they have no responsibility in dealing with it and overcoming it. This attitude is evident in his comments about all the things that others (most notably companies) need to do in order to deal with and overcome these problems.

Shifting gears, I have long been a proponent of the notion (which echoes many of the previous posts) that civilization is a self-defeating concept. The very type of people needed to make a civilization grow and flourish are forged by the very fact that the civilization is unstable; but they are also the very type of people that a successful and stable civilization will no longer tolerate and increasingly becomes unable to produce.

 

I think maybe there is an over generalization, I have 4 kids in that category, 2 of which purchased homes with children and work hard for what they want, 1 is an Escrow Officer with no children married but, chose not to have children and does what she wants with her professional Mechanic husband.

While one child chooses not to work only when he wants to and pretty much reflects everything said here.

kv

Is that a feature (like purchasing a home with an attached garage) or a deficiency (like purchasing a home with aluminum wiring or mold)?

 

So just how many here prioritize their lives to the same goals and values their parents did and thusly put as much work and effort into achieving them themself?

I know I don't. I find way too much of what my parents valued to be nothing but blatant wastes of time and money and thusly have zero interest in pursuing the actions they had to use to get and hold on to it.

So you worked 60+ hour weeks 51 weeks a year for 50 years so you could have a big fancy house with a big yard that costs you an arm and a leg to maintain plus eats up 3/4 or more of your retirement payments to hold on to it.

Why? And why exactly do you feel others should do and live that way too?

What do you really gain from it?

Is it because it gives you the justification to feel your better and more entitled than others who don't have such things or gave up the majority of their good years in life being a slave to someone else to gain them?

Do you own your lifestyle and your stuff or does your lifestyle and stuff own you?

Not me. I can totally relate to the millennial views on many things. I have zero want or wish to use up my life trying to live up to what I see as a totally unrealistic and unsustainable social standard just as many of them do.
I don't need a huge fancy house to feel happy or justified in my lifes actions and work and I certainly don't feel that being a slave to my own existence and standards is a healthy way to live either. I own my stuff. My stuff doesn't own me and I have a loto of stuff anyway! .

 

I think it's different strokes for different folks. I was one of those people that worked 60 hours a week for about 30 years. I was lucky enough to make a lot of money from a couple of start ups and I can honestly say I loved every job I had, so I didn't see it as work, but a challenge. Did we have fun. You bet your bippy we did.
When I talk to my oldest son - he's the easiest one to talk to about it, he makes it clear he just wants to retire and be able to fly fish whenever he wants to. He doesn't make a lot of money, but he and his wife have a couple of houses and he lives close to his favorite places (mountains of Colorado). He could care less about cars and stuff as long as they get him up and down the mountain. I ask him if he's happy and he says yes, and I believe him. So if he's happy, I'm happy. So I guess you don't need a lot of money, but it doesn't hurt either.
I also have 2 stepsons. One of them probably has a couple of million in the bank, but isn't real happy. I think it's because he doesn't spend any of it, but who knows.
The other one has a good job, but blows his money. I'd say medium happy, but maybe not in to good of shape as he gets older.
Maybe it's a good thing the Millennials don't like a bunch of stuff, because the available jobs won't support it. The thing that's kind of sad is a lot of them, and there parents, have spent a lot of money on school preparing them to be service employees.

 

Millenials? I have two, a daughter born in 1980 and a son born in 1982. Both had some rocky financial management during their early 20s and each woke up one morning to say Oh My God, I have become my father. It seemed the major change in both their lives was the birth of their first child. My daughter first followed by my son six months later. Suddenly they were the picture of responsibility, it was amazing. Today they both work hard, have great spouses and are homeowners. Me? I just enjoy my grandchildren.

Ron

 

Millenials? I have two, a daughter born in 1980 and a son born in 1982. Both had some rocky financial management during their early 20s and each woke up one morning to say Oh My God, I have become my father. It seemed the major change in both their lives was the birth of their first child. My daughter first followed by my son six months later. Suddenly they were the picture of responsibility, it was amazing. Today they both work hard, have great spouses and are homeowners. Me? I just enjoy my grandchildren.

Ron

Yes! It's kind of like watching a light come on. Same experience.

 

Is that a feature (like purchasing a home with an attached garage) or a deficiency (like purchasing a home with aluminum wiring or mold)?

made me remember this:

 

Is that a feature (like purchasing a home with an attached garage) or a deficiency (like purchasing a home with aluminum wiring or mold)?

Good catch, that was my hangover sentence

kv

 

http://www.bbc.com/capital/story/20170224-some-cafes-are-banning-wi-fi-to-encourage-conversation

How to fix Millenials?
Separate them from their devices.

 

http://www.bbc.com/capital/story/20170224-some-cafes-are-banning-wi-fi-to-encourage-conversation

How to fix Millenials?
Separate them from their devices.

I agree with pretty much all of the claims of the article, but disagree that this is the appropriate way to address the problem. Now, an owner of an establishment should have every right to ban wi-fi or whatever they want to from their place. No qualms there. But at the end of the day the underlying problem is that people aren't mature enough to put their damn phones away -- so is the solution really to treat them like children and set the rules for them? Or does that just reinforce the trend that has allowed so many people to become adults physically while remaining little children psychologically?

On guy in the article remarked, "People are sick of looking at their phones." Well, then stop looking at your phone! Do you REALLY need to go to some coffee shop that doesn't allow you to use your phone in order to stop looking at it?

I guess what really bugs me about that article is that the entire tone and discussion is from a nanny perspective -- people need to interact more and they won't do it on their own, so we need to step in and force them to do so. If I want to patronize a café I'm not going to be too receptive to find one that places all kinds of (unreasonable) restrictions on what I can and can't do. Is it really their place to tell me that I can't check my e-mail while having coffee? Again, they are free to tell me they don't need my business if I'm going to insist on checking my e-mail. But I have news for them -- no matter how little they think they need to do business with me, I need to do business with them even less.

I think my attitude toward them would be a LOT more positive if they were coming at things from a different perspective. Instead of saying that people need to behave differently and so we are setting rules to make that happen, I would rather they be saying that they see a growing demand for places where people can come and interact with friends, family, and even strangers in an environment in which unbounded electronic distractions have been put at bay and so they are providing a place that fosters that. But that's not the impression I get from the article -- instead it is very much along the lines of "we know what's best for you and we are going to impose it on you."

I see two possible developments from this (not necessarily mutually exclusive). The first is that some city, county, or state somewhere is going to decide that this is important enough to be put into law. Don't think so? Image 20 or 30 years ago any level of government banning salt shakers from restaurant tables or making it illegal to sell a soft drink in any cup larger than 16 oz. The second is that someone is going to file a lawsuit claiming that by not allowing laptops and cell phones and such that their rights are being infringed upon or that it is a violation of some disabilities accommodation law.