https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/08/160816085029.htm

Our increasing reliance on the Internet and the ease of access to the vast resource available online is affecting our thought processes for problem solving, recall and learning. In a new article, researchers have found that 'cognitive offloading', or the tendency to rely on things like the Internet as an aide-mémoire, increases after each use.

 

Ron , your view of the Amish is truer than some of the others here. Or at least the Amish in my area. They are pretty modern out side the home, but still live traditional in the home. And many people see Mennonite's and think they are Amish.

This drifts off topic but...
As I mentioned, while my wife Kathleen is not Mennonite she did attend college at Goshen in Indiana which is a Mennonite school. The couple we are getting this puppy from are very nice and very straight up, they even give a one year guarantee with the dog against any defects. The area is Millersburg, Ohio and it is farm country. Interesting is as you pass the homes on the rural roads there are no wires leading to the homes from the poles on the roads. Kathleen has a much, much better understanding of the Amish orders and Mennonites than I do or ever will.

We should be picking up Charlotte around Friday or Saturday so it is official the Biscuit is getting a sister. Several years ago we had a Golden Retriever we called Bear, he looked to be Golden and some other large breed but the Golden was apparent. One of the best dogs we ever had. When I met Kathy 30 years ago she had a dog and I did manage to get my dog in a divorce. This has been a two or three dog house ever since and since losing our Brandy several months ago we wanted another dog but waited till after winter vacation. While I have no intention of breeding her I wanted another Golden. Poor Biscuit still looks for Brandy so hopefully another dog will afford him a playmate and get him active, Biscuit is a mixed breed maybe some Yellow Lab about 5 years old. Brandy went about 14 years and was 2 when we got her.

Ron

 

I heard you can get the Kirkland version at Costco much cheaper. There is less paperwork in the package but nearly everything else is the same.

Once we get into warmer weather we need to do a dinner again. I enjoyed that outing.

Ron

 

I think the problem is quite different here...

ever seen a 1-2 year old with a tablet? It is like watching addiction in real time. They do not want to play with anything else. So what happens to real world development? Touch screen is not real world, I do not care how fast you can look up name of a band (there is an app for that btw). Or that you become a great coder at an age of 8 (as programming languages become simplified) and customized for more apple based platforms... Large groups of people before us went extinct because they abandoned basic technology. We are facing a bigger problem as we are forgetting the basics of being human.

I actually can compare a non-cell community to a cell one. Since I moved to a smalled more rural and much more isolated area I see a huge difference in kids here - they are much less plugged into their phones as they can play outside together, they go fishing and camping on the weekends and all the things normal people do. The conversations between adults are much better too, they are about nature and not about real estate...

 

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/08/160816085029.htm

It's still there. We just need to learn how to access it.

 

I think the problem is quite different here...

ever seen a 1-2 year old with a tablet? It is like watching addiction in real time. They do not want to play with anything else. So what happens to real world development? Touch screen is not real world, I do not care how fast you can look up name of a band (there is an app for that btw). Or that you become a great coder at an age of 8 (as programming languages become simplified) and customized for more apple based platforms... Large groups of people before us went extinct because they abandoned basic technology. We are facing a bigger problem as we are forgetting the basics of being human.

I actually can compare a non-cell community to a cell one. Since I moved to a smalled more rural and much more isolated area I see a huge difference in kids here - they are much less plugged into their phones as they can play outside together, they go fishing and camping on the weekends and all the things normal people do. The conversations between adults are much better too, they are about nature and not about real estate...

In the future we may be able to do both. Learn at night and play by day.
Could bring a new meaning to plugging in.
http://www.iflscience.com/brain/4-things-you-can-literally-learn-while-you-sleep/

 

It's still there. We just need to learn how to access it.

I think the capacity is there but the long term patterns from typical rote memorization are missing. Without those patterns there is little to access but a massive jumble of non-connected facts, visuals and figures that tend to produce a incoherent mess of reality or a possible reality. I see mentally sharp young people stumble when asked to perform the slightest bit of mental gymnastics needed to see the possible future consequences of a sequence of events because IMO they haven't taken the time to think at a deeper level than just seeing and reacting.

 

I see mentally sharp young people stumble when asked to perform the slightest bit of mental gymnastics needed to see the possible future consequences of a sequence of events because IMO they haven't taken the time to think at a deeper level than just seeing and reacting.

Like a deer in the headlights look.

Ron

 

A lot of the online social group appeal is simply in being able to find groups of people who think and prioritize like they do even if their group thought and general priority process is totally wrong and screwed up.

Just look at how certain people we see every day on the various forums we all participate in act regarding certain subjects that the majority of the members know and understand to be totally wrong .
Then look at how they justify their belief for their views despite being constantly shown they are in fact wrong over and over yet they keep right on going because they have a few other proud fools and some well spread false data and or well spread misinformation they believe to be true backing them up.

Then compare that to the the past when people interacted face to face in person how well did such continued proud idiocy and ignorance go over? It largely didn't. Say stupid things long enough and someone stepped up and slapped the stupid out of you. Do it enough and you ended up in the parking lot getting your head kicked in by more than just one person who had got tired of your nonsense.

Social shaming/shunning and an occasional outright ass kicking kept people's foolishness, false beliefs and priorities largely in check or they eventually got the message that they and their beliefs were not accepted in society and just left.

Unfortunately due to so much online social system development and the diminished real life social interaction process too many people have never had to learn how to properly think and act let alone take responsibility for themselves and what they say or learned or from where because unlike in real life with interactions online no one gets dragged out the door and kicked in the head a few times for letting their proud idiocy or general uneducable stupidity run unchecked for too long.
In real life interactions you either had to put up proof you and your views were right, accept you were wrong or get used to having your ass handed to you in the parking lot by those who do know more about something than you do when they finally reached the point they had grown tired of listening to and dealing with your ignorance or outright stupidity.

That's something I see too much of in the millennial group. Too many have never had to deal with let alone have to ever learn about the reality of how most things actually work and they have a huge safety net of others who don't know a damn thing about reality of believe the same wrong information and worse to fall back on.
Unlike the majority of us Millennials have always had some online social group to back them up and make them feel justified in any and every stupid thought and notion they have ever had that in the old days of one on one real life peer group interaction would have lead to multiple levels of clarification and correction regarding what ever they were thinkings true value and validity over all.

With real life one on one interactions 'Stupid is as stupid does' thought processes and actions couldn't build a large self supporting social system where it could flourish in its own proud self righteous ignorance let alone build a recruiting system at that. Now it can.

 

A lot of the online social group appeal is simply in being able to find groups of people who think and prioritize like they do even if their group thought and general priority process is totally wrong and screwed up.

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Social shaming/shunning and an occasional outright ass kicking kept people's foolishness, false beliefs and priorities largely in check or they eventually got the message that they and their beliefs were not accepted in society and just left.

Unfortunately due to so much online social system development and the diminished real life social interaction process too many people have never had to learn how to properly think and act let alone take responsibility for themselves and what they say or learned or from where because unlike in real life with interactions online no one gets dragged out the door and kicked in the head a few times for letting their proud idiocy or general uneducable stupidity run unchecked for too long.
In real life interactions you either had to put up proof you and your views were right, accept you were wrong or get used to having your ass handed to you in the parking lot by those who do know more about something than you do when they finally reached the point they had grown tired of listening to and dealing with your ignorance or outright stupidity.

That's something I see too much of in the millennial group. Too many have never had to deal with let alone have to ever learn about the reality of how most things actually work and they have a huge safety net of others who don't know a damn thing about reality of believe the same wrong information and worse to fall back on.
Unlike the majority of us Millennials have always had some online social group to back them up and make them feel justified in any and every stupid thought and notion they have ever had that in the old days of one on one real life peer group interaction would have lead to multiple levels of clarification and correction regarding what ever they were thinkings true value and validity over all.

With real life one on one interactions 'Stupid is as stupid does' thought processes and actions couldn't build a large self supporting social system where it could flourish in its own proud self righteous ignorance let alone build a recruiting system at that. Now it can.

I agree with a lot of what you say. It is very easy right now to find online support for any viewpoint.

However, at the same time the young people who have not even managed to form a self awareness (and I fear never will anymore) are subject to a group think like we can never imagine. The reach over an individual has been amplified and influence impossible to avoid. The feedback loop is always there. The psychology of this I think is crippling.

One thing though, feel free to blame someone else for your predicaments, but only you can get out of it. Blaming others doesnt help, identifying the blame may help some people but really is a waste of time and effort.

 

However, at the same time the young people who have not even managed to form a self awareness (and I fear never will anymore) are subject to a group think like we can never imagine. The reach over an individual has been amplified and influence impossible to avoid. The feedback loop is always there. The psychology of this I think is crippling.

One thing though, feel free to blame someone else for your predicaments, but only you can get out of it. Blaming others doesn't help, identifying the blame may help some people but really is a waste of time and effort.

Well there's always the hope that through the never ending topical debates that will forever rage on in countless social media centers if they keep seeing their ignorant beliefs repeatedly and mercilessly slapped down time and time again by the cold hard hand of scientific fact and reality it will bring some of them to their senses and just maybe give them reason to question to their life and who wants control over what in it and why.

Or they will all turn into idiotic trolls where no one online cares a damn about anything they say anymore because is so painfully obvious they are either too stupid to understand the reality of what it is they claim to believe in or becomes so painfully obvious they are in such denial that they have nothing of value to contribute and thus can be totally ignored by all that matter.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Village_idiot

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2016/07/the-war-on-stupid-people/485618/

http://thoughtcatalog.com/daniel-ha...s-full-of-dumb-people-who-think-theyre-smart/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illusory_superiority

The new world order is coming (and it's dumber than a box of rocks.)

 

curiousity is a big one... try asking people something that cannot be googled... you will see the panic set in...

 

Be it known this, its corollaries and tragic ultimate consequence were foreseen in eerie (I daresay, frighting) detail as long ago as 1963 -- Well hey! I know reading is no longer 'in' -- Howbeit it's a very short story and well worth the read... -- Please have a look!

CEREBRUM -- Teichner

Best regards
HP

HP If that's story I think it is author got www exactly right more than 30 years b4 it existed and dependence on it more 40 years b4! All that's different is interface and that Google isn't that tyrannical YET! So I've downloaded it to read on my little outing Tnks!

 

PS -- @Aleph(0) --- It goes without saying that the 'snowflake' sterotype applies to only a small (albeit highly visible audible) fraction of 'your generation' -- no need to take anything on this thread personally!

HP Tnx for reminding ppl of that! Now I'm saying there are snowFLAKES of all ages! For example plz look here

 

Google isn't that tyrannical YET

I am assuming that there are two operative words in that sentence... the first one is "that", and the second one is "YET" .... unfortunately, the former implies submission, whilst the latter alludes to inevitability...

 

I am assuming that there are two operative words in that sentences... the first one is "that", and the second one is "YET" .... unfortunately, the former implies submission, whilst the latter alludes to inevitability...

Cmartinez sry for hitting limits of Alephspeak I'm just saying Google isn't that bad now but they will be if given a chance!

 

Cmartinez sry for hitting limits of Alephspeak I'm just saying Google isn't that bad now but they will be if given a chance!

Aleph, I get what you said... But I think that, unfortunately, all institutions are ran by humans, and thereofre they all have a tendency to go bad if they lower their guard... No, Google isn't so bad now. But it's acquired so much power that it's making me (and I'm sure that lots of other people) nervous.

 

Aleph, I get what you said... But I think that, unfortunately, all institutions are ran by humans, and thereofre they all have a tendency to go bad if they lower their guard... No, Google isn't so bad now. But it's acquired so much power that it's making me (and I'm sure that lots of other people) nervous.

Cmartinez I skimmed it and it's definately story I was thinking of! So I know you enjoy good literature so please read it! It's totally chilling in its uncanny foresight! Not just abt absolute pwr corrupting absolutely but also abt how ppl will accept and sacrifice anything in name of convenience and social conformity and _progress_! But most astounding thing abt story is its totally accurate vision of how a networked society would work and now does!

 

abt how ppl will accept and sacrifice anything in name of convenience and social conformity

that's called human nature...

vision of how a networked society would work and now does

humanity has always been networked, but the scale at which this is happenning now is unprecedented... Think of this; humankind's network has anthropologically consisted of a village averaging 200 people. Half of them would be normally related to you, either directly or indirectly. Such as siblings, their children and your cousins and theirs...

That has now changed dramatically in less than a couple of centuries.... and I'm not sure if we, as a species, have the capability to cope with it.

 

that's called human nature...

humanity has always been networked, but the scale at which this is happenning now is unprecedented... Think of this; humankind's network has anthropologically consisted of a village averaging 200 people. Half of them would be normally related to you, either directly or indirectly. Such as siblings, their children and your cousins and theirs...

That has now changed dramatically in less than a couple of centuries.... and I'm not sure if we, as a species, have the capability to cope with it.

Cmartinez with your anthropological sensibilities and interests I just know you'd like the story!