Voltage Drop between BJT Collector and Emitter

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Teddy19990722

Joined Sep 27, 2023
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I am wondering about the BJT emitter voltage, refer to the green markers in the following simulate circuit.The other screenshot is the simulation result.
It seems like both FET and BJT worked in cut-off region, why there's a large voltage drop at emitter?

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Teddy19990722

Joined Sep 27, 2023
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Hi Teddy,
With +11.82V on the Base and +16.37V on the Emitter it is reversed Biassed Off, not a voltage drop.
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Hi Eric,
Thanks for explaining. I am still confuse about how it generate +16.37V, because the VGS of FET seems like smaller than it's Vth all the time and I think FET is always turn off.
Teddy
 

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Teddy19990722

Joined Sep 27, 2023
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I am wondering about the BJT emitter voltage, refer to the green markers in the following simulate circuit.The other screenshot is the simulation result.
It seems like both FET and BJT worked in cut-off region, why there's a large voltage drop at emitter?

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Hi E,
Sorry for that the drain voltage of FET should be 28V, here's the new circuit and the simulation result.
But I still confused how it generate +25.245V at VE while the VG equals to 4.5V.
Teddy
 

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Teddy19990722

Joined Sep 27, 2023
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hi T,
What is the function of the circuit?
E
Hi E,
The function of this circuit is to transfer 28V from the adapter to 5-20V for PD controller. It use the voltage at VE to be the voltage for PD.
I am wondering it will generate the voltage between 5-20V based on the design, so I simulate the circuit.
 

ericgibbs

Joined Jan 29, 2010
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Hi T,
OK,
You mean the pda voltage is an output voltage, so why have you got 28V connected to that pda point?
I would expect the PD controller to be connected as the Load for the pda signal.

E

Update:
Checking your circuit, the basic design is incorrect.

Is this a College or Homework assignment? Moderation.
 
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Teddy19990722

Joined Sep 27, 2023
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Hi T,
OK,
You mean the pda voltage is an output voltage, so why have you got 28V connected to that pda point?
I would expect the PD controller to be connected as the Load for the pda signal.

E
Hi E,
I want to confirm the "pda voltage" you said is the voltage of emitter? Besides, you mean the circuit should look like the following circuit?

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ericgibbs

Joined Jan 29, 2010
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Hi T.
Checking your circuit, the basic design is incorrect, when using an NMOS FET with those Source and Gate voltages

Is this a College or Homework assignment? Moderation.
 

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Teddy19990722

Joined Sep 27, 2023
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Hi T.
Checking your circuit, the basic design is incorrect, when using an NMOS FET with those Source and Gate voltages

Is this a College or Homework assignment? Moderation.
Hi E,
This is College assignment my friends asked me for help. I agree with what you said. It seems like the design is wrong, but it can simulate.
 

ericgibbs

Joined Jan 29, 2010
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hi T,
Look at this clip from the datasheet,
To turn On the NMOS FET the Gate voltage has to be at least +1.3V with respect to the Source.

With a Source voltage of 28V, and the Gate with a +4.5v or 9.9V, it can never turn ON.

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Teddy19990722

Joined Sep 27, 2023
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hi T,
Look at this clip from the datasheet,
To turn On the NMOS FET the Gate voltage has to be at least +1.3V with respect to the Source.

With a Source voltage of 28V, and the Gate with a +4.5v or 9.9V, it can never turn ON.

E
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Hi E,
I agree. I tried to place a resistor(suppose it's load) and connected to emitter, refer to the following circuit. The simulate result seems make sense.
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Teddy
 

ericgibbs

Joined Jan 29, 2010
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hi T,
For the BC847B at 84mA with approx 21V, Collector to Emitter voltage is 0.084A *21V =1.75Watts, it will cook!
It's rated at 200 milliWatts.

E
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WBahn

Joined Mar 31, 2012
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I am wondering about the BJT emitter voltage, refer to the green markers in the following simulate circuit.The other screenshot is the simulation result.
It seems like both FET and BJT worked in cut-off region, why there's a large voltage drop at emitter?

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Look at the currents on those lines -- they are in the range of 20 pA. That includes the gate pin of the FET.

These are leakage currents in these devices. The node connected between the BJT and the FET is, ideally, a charge-storage node and is essentially floating. The voltage that appears on it is the result of a load-line balance between the leakage current characteristics of the connected devices.
 
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