Very wide range input inverter ?

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Externet

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Hello
How would you put together a 10VDC to 400VDC input to 120VAC / 4KW output inverter ? -To be used with any battery bank you happen to have- Or is there such animal in the market ?
 

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Externet

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Here comes another brain fart... Some modern gasoline powered portable generators labeled "inverters" work in a mode am not sure if I understand... Something like at low rpm or even idling; deliver 120VAC, and only when power demand rises, then they throttle up. :oops: (If I have it right)

Is that a sort of "any voltage-in - 120VAC out" ? What guts in there can behave/harnessed as a "any volt in - 120V out" ?

A solar inverter yields a constant steady 120VAC out with varying insolation from angle, clouds, haze, dust on panels... What part of the circuitry manages such ? Is not the MPPT, or is it ?

An uninterrupted power supply UPS puts out 120VAC when its battery is 14V or down to 10V. What is the circuitry that harnesses that ?

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crutschow

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What is the circuitry that harnesses that ?
The inverter generators have an alternator which is converted to DC and then a DC-AC inverter generates that AC.
The alternator likely has a regulator to keep it's voltage relatively constant (similar to a car alternator) as the engine speed changes.
That's how they can throttle down the engine speed at light loads for better efficiency, while still maintaining a constant output AC voltage and frequency.

In all the devices you mention, an inverter that can tolerate some input voltage change generates the AC.
But I doubt it would be practical to make one with the the very wide input voltage range and large power output you would like.

Long live the deciBel!!
 
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schmitt trigger

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As Crutschow have mentioned, the generators on these devices you have shown have a field regulator which stabilizes the output voltage as the RPM changes.
Similar to car alternators.
 

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Externet

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Thanks. A field regulator instead of a speed governor explains it. Yes, the width expectations I wrote are exaggerated. 12 to 48V would make more sense. A single solar panel can be 12 to 50V; a string of them can be 40 to 400V with maaany batteries configurations.
 

Ian0

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Thanks. A field regulator instead of a speed governor explains it. Yes, the width expectations I wrote are exaggerated. 12 to 48V would make more sense. A single solar panel can be 12 to 50V; a string of them can be 40 to 400V with maaany batteries configurations.
Many cheap inverters consist of DC-DC converter outputting 400V followed by an DC-AC converter, either sinewave or "modified" sinewave. (To what extent can you claim that a squarewave is a modified sinewave?)
It would, therefore, be theoretically possible for a DC -DC converter to operate from any voltage from 12V to 48V if it were of the flyback type, but most of the ones I have seen circuit for are push-pull types. However, efficiency for such a circuit would not be optimum.
 

crutschow

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To what extent can you claim that a squarewave is a modified sinewave?
It may be close enough if it is a stepped wave where both the RMS and peak voltage values equal that of a sinewave (example below).
That way it should be able to operate a device that requires the RMS voltage such as a heater or motor (with some harmonic losses), or the peak voltage such as a diode-capacitor rectifier.

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crutschow

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:) What is the level of -13.6 dB digital audio in 600 ohms ? :)
Beats me.
If you want to abolish dB, then at least know how it's properly used. :rolleyes:
That can't be answered unless you define what the digital signal audio is, and since dB is the ratio of powers, -13.6dB relative to what?
 
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