Universal Groups within a Multiverse

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SplitInfinity

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I KNEW this thread reminded me of Something.

Maybe Reading it will answer all your questions. :D
Never heard of this book. Interesting.

Reminds me...although this book is different in it's socialogical concepts...of Frank Herbert's sequestering of each of the sciences of Mathematics, Genetics, Physics, Cosmology and Space Travel and Eugenics into Guilds and Religions each with their own membership and in fact societies of people born and trained to be of a specific use and participating in a Universal Society in their own set CASTE system.

The book he wrote was called...DUNE.

Thank You for the nice associatative catch as far as this book. :)

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SplitInfinity

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Reflecting upon a conversation I had in N.Y. City with Dr. Michio Kaku in which I postulated that Quantum Particle/Wave Form transfer and interconnectivity as well as their numerical quantity at or between a minimum and maximum between such Quanta's existence within Protons and Neutrons in our Universal Reality and Quanta within Protons and Neutrons existing in Divergent Universal States in a Universal Grouping of which our Universe is a part...is being driven by Probability...

This concept would explain how specific Quanta can have two or more functions as such Quanta is existing as a Virtual Particle and it's existence is not confined to one Universal Reality.

To my knowledge there are no other theories out there that use Probability as a driving force to account for such Quantum behavior...unless someone here can think of one?

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CVMichael

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Hi Split Infinity,

I found this thread and the discussion here extremely interesting, even though I don't understand everything. I wanted to read more on your ideas, but you stopped posting, so I am trying to revive this... :)

First of all let me say that I don't know anything about physics, and everything I know is from watching documentaries on TV or over the internet (YouTube mostly). I love watching anything about Dr. Michio Kaku, and also Carl Sagan (I wish he would still be among us); they make anything seem so interesting and beautiful :)

Anyways... to continue on your subject... let me see if I understand what you are saying.

Theoretical physicists / scientists / mathematicians, don't really know what dark matter or dark energy actuall is... they invented these so that the model of the universe would work. They plugged in some numbers in their "universe formula" so that their simulations would give the same results as what we observe is going on in the universe right now. correct?

Now... what you are saying, is that we don't need to "invent" dark matter or dark energy. The expansion of the universe is the result of merging 2 universes that have the same "rules", therefore they merge.

My logical deduction from this tells me that since 2 universes with same rules collide, they will merge (as it's happening with our universe right now), so this means that when 2 universes with different rules collide, they will create a big bang, creating a new child universe. Therefore the child universe of the 2 universes will have rules combined from the 2 universes. So this will create another branch of infinite universes with the combined rules as the other 2 universes.

I wish I could ask you to talk about other subjects (like aliens, UFOs, free energy, spirituality, etc. etc.) because I have a feeling you know more than most people on all these subjects, based on what I read on your previous posts. The only problem is that this forum does not allow for such "free thinking"...
 

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SplitInfinity

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Hi Split Infinity,

I found this thread and the discussion here extremely interesting, even though I don't understand everything. I wanted to read more on your ideas, but you stopped posting, so I am trying to revive this... :)

First of all let me say that I don't know anything about physics, and everything I know is from watching documentaries on TV or over the internet (YouTube mostly). I love watching anything about Dr. Michio Kaku, and also Carl Sagan (I wish he would still be among us); they make anything seem so interesting and beautiful :)

Anyways... to continue on your subject... let me see if I understand what you are saying.

Theoretical physicists / scientists / mathematicians, don't really know what dark matter or dark energy actuall is... they invented these so that the model of the universe would work. They plugged in some numbers in their "universe formula" so that their simulations would give the same results as what we observe is going on in the universe right now. correct?

Now... what you are saying, is that we don't need to "invent" dark matter or dark energy. The expansion of the universe is the result of merging 2 universes that have the same "rules", therefore they merge.

My logical deduction from this tells me that since 2 universes with same rules collide, they will merge (as it's happening with our universe right now), so this means that when 2 universes with different rules collide, they will create a big bang, creating a new child universe. Therefore the child universe of the 2 universes will have rules combined from the 2 universes. So this will create another branch of infinite universes with the combined rules as the other 2 universes.

I wish I could ask you to talk about other subjects (like aliens, UFOs, free energy, spirituality, etc. etc.) because I have a feeling you know more than most people on all these subjects, based on what I read on your previous posts. The only problem is that this forum does not allow for such "free thinking"...
Mike...Thank's for the kind words and I am happy you enjoyed my posts. If you have a particular question that you think I may be able to answer or shed some light upon...either PM me or ask in the forum that allows for non specific subject matter.

To answer your questions in the best way I can I will ask you to perceive my answers as they would apply to a Multiversal System in which our Universal reality FINITE but is but one Universe among an INFINITE number in a specific GROUP. Also that this Universal Group contains Infinite Divergent Universal Realities that all have the same Laws of Nature and Physics and is but one group of INFINITE groups within a Multiversal System.

With this in mind I believe it is HIGHLY probable that for Quantum Mechanics to work the way it does a Multiversal System must be in play allowing Divergent Universal States from a single specific Universal Grouping to have Quantum Particle/Wave Form Interconnectivity and Transfer which would explain and define such Quanta acting as both particle and wave...Quanta being able to have or obtain two functions or more...as well as the ability of some Quanta such as Quarks which can exist in Numerical Quantity between or at a Minimum or Maximum within Protons and Neutrons...as Quarks literally Blink in and out of our Universal Reality.

So yes...Physicists and Cosmologist use the terms Dark Energy and Dark Matter to describe a measurable effect within our Universal Reality without really knowing what is actually causing this and why....and if a Multiversal System is in play...it is possible that Quantum Bleedover...a varying in number and type of measurable and observable Universal Effect such as Dark Matter and Dark Energy are...may be created either through Geometric Universal Overlap or perhaps created by Quantum Interconnectivity and Transfer between Divergent Universal States all from within One Universal Grouping within a Multiversal System.

As far as it being two Universal Realities overlapping or Multiple ones...I don't know. But I do know that the creation of Divergent Universal Realities from the original baseline Big Bang moment of Universal Creation....every possibility MUST EXIST in a Multiversal System as well as every possible construct or form of Physics or Natral Laws or Universal Groups that have a original baseline Universal Reality existing with Physics and Natural Laws so Alien in their nature we can neither understand, guess or even dream at what they may be.

I enjoy talking and debating the other issues you listed and I will add just this one thing....Because of my third...JOB...in which I sometimes work with members of the U.S. Military...even though I am "CIVILIAN" and I salute NO ONE....I know this one fact of reality.

I KNOW...not believe or guess or think or desire or wonder...but KNOW...with 100% Certainty....that E.T. is a REALITY. Talking about anything E.T. is constrained in that dissemination of any E.T. related information is considered CRIMINAL unless such information is kept within the boundries of what is in the general publics consciousness.

That basically means that even if something is classified secret...as long as such knowledge is in the publics consciousness...such as a person could not get into trouble if they were a public..."UNKNOWN"...and were talking about say...Roswell...which is an event known by almost everyone. If a person is KNOWN in the public arena and has associations to the U.S. Government or Military or Intell Agencies and was to say something as simple as...Aliens crash landed at Roswell...that person WOULD be arrested for TREASON. If that same person was to talk about or allow the general public to be aware of TOP-SECRET OR ULTRA TOP-SECRET CLASSIFIED INFORMATION...they would most likely end up being a SUICIDE VICTIM.

But as long as a person...whether or not they are a known entity by any Government, Military or Intell Group or Agency...talks about stamped Secret or Higher and Classified Information...as LONG AS SUCH INFORMATION IS IN THE PUBLICS CONSCIOUSNESS...they are left alone.

Split Infinity...p.s...I hope this helped.
 

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SplitInfinity

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Mike...also...Humans view Time as Linear. We perceive time as such because we are living in a 10 or 11 Minimum Dimensional Universal Reality...and there are probably more than 10 or 11 as well as our Universal Reality owing it's existence and Quantum Particle/Wave Form behavior or Mechanics to a Multiversal System.

But one of our Universal Rules is that every single specific state of Universal Dimensional Geometric Reality is partially effected, tied to or governed by every other Dimensional State. An example of this is Gravity.

Gravity is an Expression of One Dimensionality. Thus it is the effect of One Dimensionality in conjunction with all other Universal States of Geometric Dimensionality. When a Celestial Body obtains a Threshold State of Mass...such as what happens when a Supermassive Red Giant begins to collapse as it has converted by Fusion the vast majority of it's Hydrogen into Helium and without adequate Hydrogen to generate enough of an explosive outward force from the stars ability for Fusion to occur...the Red Giant will begin to shrink and by the Gravitational Effect generated by it's own emmense Mass...it may collapse into a Point of Singularity or Black Hole.

At this point...when an actual Singularity has been created...the rules of our Minimum 10 or 11 Dimensional State Universe no longer apply as a Singularity is not bound to all other Dimensional States as it will Supercede them.

A Singularity is a state of One Dimensionality and in effect is another Universal Reality unto itself. Since a perfect state of Singularity is One Dimensionality...Linear Time does NOT EXIST. Time infact CANNOT EXIST without the existence of Matter. Matter in reality being really completely comprised of Quanta or Pure Energy.

Thus it is postulated that for every Black Hole...there must exist in some other Universal Reality...a White Hole. Even though Cosmologists and Physicists state or label or measure Black Holes by their associatative Gravitational Effect...example...Sagittarius A*...a Supermassive Black Hole at a distance of 25 thousand light years at the heart of our Milky Way Galaxy is measured in it's Gravitational Effect at 3 Million Solar Masses. In reality...the Mass of 3 Million of our Suns is not actually present at Sagittarius A*'s center as the created Singularity no longer will allow that Matter or Mass of to exist in our Universal Reality. That Matter is no longer in our Universe...but the Gravitational Effect is SELF GENERATING at the moment of the creation of the Singularity. Since this Singularity has been created Matter can no longer exit within it as Matter and all Quantum Particle/Wave Forms that comprise it cannot exist One Dimensionaly.

Thus TIME and measurement of is specific to the existence of Matter as there can be no Linear Time in a One Dimensional Universe. There CAN be Time Dilation and other Space/Time effects specific and relative to the existence of One Dimensional Expession...or Gravitational Effect within our 10 or 11 Plus Universal Reality.

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SplitInfinity

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The more I attempt to try to debunk the necessity of a Multiversal System in order for Quantum Mechanics to behave as it does...the more I seem to add proofs and evidence toward a Multiversal System being a reality.

One thing I can't get past...and if anyone here has some math or analogy to represent it I would appreciate it...I can't get past how exactly a Multiversal System that by it's very existance must have infinite Universal Groupings with each grouping specific to ONE Baseline Universal Reality with it's own Natural Laws or Constructs undefinable.

Thus there would have to be Infinite Universal Groupings each with an original single baseline reality from which all Divergent Universal States of Reality would be generated from all independent from all other Universal Grouping original Universal Baseline Reality.

Here in lies the problem...or perhaps no problem at all but any solve that is specific in that there is no connectivity between Universal Groupings or Universal Baseline Realities...has me nervous...as Interconnectivity is the very Heart of Multiversal Reality.

The Quantum Particle/Wave Forms that would be transfering and hold interconnectivity within and between Protons and Neutrons as well as independent Quantum behavor such as Photons behaving as both Particle and Wave...would be doing so between all Divergent Universal States of Reality within a Universal Group.

The problem is...what is the interconnectivity between an independent Universal Group having natural laws that are incompatible with another Universal Grouping in a Multiversal System?

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SplitInfinity

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Mmhmm, suuuure you do. You know what, SI? You remind me an awful lot of Roger from American Dad....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=inePC0E_atg
Although I wouldn't say your above statement would apply to me....you would not believe the number of Specialists that it would apply to.

I was recruited out of High School because of three specific things which were a combination of conditions and abilities. I was brought along slowly and very methodically to become a buffer to the problems and culture created and widely existing due to the people that very much fit your description of mention.

The single most important charachteristic they were looking for...and it wasn't an ability to spell...was finding a person who was not already indoctrinated into the way things had been done as most "SELECTIONS" are taken from a pool of son's and daughter's of those already serving.

After the intell. debacle that South East Asia as well as certain other countries having a vastly better and more comprehensive HUMAN ELEMENT to gather intell. rather than to just rely upon High Tech. means...it was decided that the Human Factor needed to be expanded.

Since all past attempts of Human Resourse Penetration had failed...miserably at that...it was decided to change the parameters of what the Human Element would look like and this change covered everything from age, JOB, dress, knowledge base and Psychological...Flexibility.

It was found that such Intell. gathering and Human Resourses of....could operate in PLAIN SIGHT with impunity and do a vastly better job than the old...Cloak and Dagger...mentality.

So...need to gain access and penetration of a Scientist working for your adversary? It's a lot easier to do this being a person that this scientists kids would love to have over the house or see a show...and all the while this scientist being pleasently surprised that such a person can also have a discussion that interests that scientist and NOTHING builds trusts more than killing a bottle of Vodka...usually 2 bottles...with a new friend that not only you like but so does your family.

And the last and most important piece of this equasion is....NEVER ask for the end result that is your purpose...if you do your JOB right...THEY will suggest it without any pressure being applied.

Split Infinity...p.s...And I do so much enjoy talking Physics.
 

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SplitInfinity

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Wow, did not realize this thread was so old.... :eek:
Well topics of this nature in that they ask the big questions...make big assumptions...and base it on what we can confirm in the natural world...will always stand the test of time.

This topic has...what...1233 views to date, was written by a guy that some on this forum have issues with founded or not...has garnished great interest and opinion...and whether some agree or disagree with concepts and ideas is not what is important.

What IS important is that the topic has got people THINKING.

We base all our Math and Physics upon what we can observe, calculate and experiment with within the constraints of what we can percieve. I for one think there is a Hell of a lot more going on that we have not even scratched the surface of...and if we become stubborn and refuse to at least consider that what we do know maybe just slivers and pieces of what the reality is...well we might as well just lock ourselves in a closet and never look out.

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DerStrom8

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That video was not supposed to be a description of you as a person, it was supposed to be a description of your attitude. You're acting like you're more important than other people and that you are working on IMPORTANT stuff for the government. TOP SECRET stuff that none of us know about. You're the ONLY one who can know such IMPORTANT things. And you're talking down to people because of it.

I, for one, will not tolerate it.
 

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SplitInfinity

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That video was not supposed to be a description of you as a person, it was supposed to be a description of your attitude. You're acting like you're more important than other people and that you are working on IMPORTANT stuff for the government. TOP SECRET stuff that none of us know about. You're the ONLY one who can know such IMPORTANT things. And you're talking down to people because of it.

I, for one, will not tolerate it.
I am not any more important than anyone here or anyone living or dead. As for my occasional...JOBS...from this I only take away EXPERIENCES and I have no intention...no desire...no thought...and ABSOLUTELY DO NOT CONSIDER MYSELF ABOVE ANYONE.

What you describe as...Important Stuff...I know as...B.S...served on white bread...stale at that...and then told it is Filet Mignon.

I would like to clear the air about something. Just because I might know or have insight into this or that...doesn't mean I know everything and I will be the FIRST to admitt there are many areas of knowledge that I am lacking in...although I do have a wide knowledge base.

Now if you would like to talk about...HUMILITY...it is something I can definitely work on along with my horrific spelling...but I will always do my best to make people see that my true interests on this forum is to learn, exchange ideas and have fun.

I don't think that is too much to ask.

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SplitInfinity

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I would like to thank DerStrom8 for being gracious in replying to my PM sent to him in the hopes of resolving our issues...Man to Man.

I am happy to say that after discussing our issues...we came to an understanding and agreement that was beneficial to both of us and I will thank DerStrom8 again for being the type of person who is intelligent in the field of understanding that to simply discuss an issue of contention and do so quickly and with an open mind...such points of contention or issues can be quickly resolved or at least a mutual understanding can be developed and because of this...both parties will use communication privately rather than either or both parties resorting to argue in a manner non-beneficial to both.

We talked...we listened to each other...we pointed out each of our issues as well as our own reasons, strengths and weaknesses...and we came out of it with an understanding and feeling a Hell of a lot better than we would have if we let this fester.

Thanks Again!

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SplitInfinity

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One of the main tenets of this Topic is that there are Infinite Universal Groups each containing Infinite Divergent Universal Realities and each Universal Group has a Baseline State of Reality with a set of Natural Laws or Physics or other Defining Constructs if the word Physics does not apply to such Baseline Universal Realities as I have stated...some of the Groupings of Universes will have their Realities so alien in their construct, nature and behavior...we as Humans will not have the Mental capacity to define them or understand them or perhaps even perceive them.

But since Universal Interconnectivity is also a main Tenet of Multiversal Reality...I started thinking...well...sure...for our Universal Grouping...interconnectivity would be Quantum Transfer and Cascade...that being Quantum Particle/Wave Forms would be interconnective between all Divergent Universal States of Reality within our Universal Grouping. This would account for Quantum Particle/Wave duality...Quantum Transfer...as in the case of Quarks...and Quantum Cascade...thus allowing for the theoretical Tech. that is Fold/Space/Time and possible explanations for Dark Matter and Dark Energy.

But what about and what would it exist as...Universal Interconnectivity with a Universal Group that is not our own? Now the fact that these Infinite in number Universal Groupings which themselves contain Infinite Divergent Universal States...are not of our Grouping nor could some even be understood as to their nature...at first made me think that it was not necessary for me to come up with what these Groupings Baseline Realities would have existing as an Interconnective System.

I thought...well...the fact that I very well not be able to either understand them or even PERCEIVE them with my limited Human abilities and senses...precluded the necessity to even attempt to formulate a theory upon or for their interconnectivity.

That seemed all well and good...but usually when something seems like that...it means it is too good and something starts to tell me I had better look at this again.

The question now put forth is how can a person possibly formulate even a THEORY about something they have neither the data or quite possibly ever will have the data...to work with?

Then it hit me. Just like in Math...if you have an Unknown...assign it as an UNKNOWN.

In this case it is slightly different. It is not like an Algebraic assignment for an UNKNOWN VALUE...as I don't even know if it can be considered a Value or even defined in such a manner.

Likewise...even if I use LOGIC to state what it could or could not be or could or could not be associated with...again...I am using concepts that are either limited or greater in possibilities specific to my Universal Realities.

So...here is a challenge I will put out there for anyone who is interested in attempting to either describe...assign possible value...provide association or disassociation by Logic or perhaps just give us an equation of Cold Hard Math.

Who can find a way to do the impossible?

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Wendy

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Thing is, you speak as if this were proven. It isn't of course, it is conjecture. Some or all of it may be truth, or not. Just don't get into your own logic too deeply here.

Scientific evidence is rigerous, and must be repeatable. Many theories, such as string theory, are waiting for the experiments to catch up of proving or disproving (or modifying) the theory. It makes practical scientists nuts it does.
 

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SplitInfinity

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Thing is, you speak as if this were proven. It isn't of course, it is conjecture. Some or all of it may be truth, or not. Just don't get into your own logic too deeply here.

Scientific evidence is rigerous, and must be repeatable. Many theories, such as string theory, are waiting for the experiments to catch up of proving or disproving (or modifying) the theory. It makes practical scientists nuts it does.
You are right of course. Even though the existence of a Multiversal System would solve many if not all of the issues we currently have with Quantum Mechanics as well as describing exactly what Dark Matter and Dark Energy are and why they exist...and of course answering the question EVERYONE would love to know...Why Quanta such as Photons and Electrons exist and function as both Particle and Wave...we currently cannot prove the existence of a Multiversal System.

But then again...it puts a smile on my face saying...We can't disprove it either! LOL!

Even still...regardless whether it does or does not exist...the question I have raised here as well as the challenge can be a very real and difficult exercise in LOGIC. That being...how would one represent an unknown interconnectivity existing in an unknown system of reality?

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