Thought for the day...

nsaspook

Joined Aug 27, 2009
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Don't want to be treated like a criminal? Don't be a criminal. They don't deny they were criminals, they are upset they were caught and arrested instead of allowed to walk out the door unmolested like in Portland.
 
Those guards should be arrested.

A few years back I witnessed a petty theft where the owner and his son of the local 7-Eleven chased down someone that stole an energy drink, they dragged him back into the store, roughed him up, threw him down and into a store display rack then picked him up and locked him in a storage room.

That is called kidnapping and battery and is in fact illegal.

Thing is...one side of me knows that is wrong...but the other side says, "yea he got what he deserved".
 

nsaspook

Joined Aug 27, 2009
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BS on those guards being arrested. The store has a civil action because the only crime committed was from the shoplifters that are at times working for crime gangs. The guards have the right do defend themselves in a reasonable manner per the circumstance and the store has a right to prevent criminals stealing. WinCo Foods is trying to stay in businesses while others have left due to rampant criminal activity being tolerated by the store management due to lack of police enforcement.

 
I agree, the guards have the right to defend themselves and the customers and other employees, but that is not what happened in those videos.

That girl was dragged back into the store after the stolen goods were recovered.

I don't know about where you live, but here it is illegal to use that kind of force to protect property.
 

nsaspook

Joined Aug 27, 2009
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I agree, the guards have the right to defend themselves and the customers and other employees, but that is not what happened in those videos.

That girl was dragged back into the store after the stolen goods were recovered.

I don't know about where you live, but here it is illegal to use that kind of force to protect property.
It's not illegal here as no legal charges are being presented to the guards or the store, just some BS civil action that a lawyer hopes is settled for a quick cash grab. The general rule is what's reasonable.
Times have changed, nobody locally, across the political and social spectrum is going to side with drugged out shoplifters being detailed today in a criminal trial. It's gotten so bad even Portland is starting to crackdown (a tiny drop in the bucket) on shoplifting. :eek:
 

DickCappels

Joined Aug 21, 2008
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That kind of roughing up is criminal in itself. That does not exonerate the shoplifters but the security people committed additional crimes. Throw the lot in jail!
 

nsaspook

Joined Aug 27, 2009
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That kind of roughing up is criminal in itself. That does not exonerate the shoplifters but the security people committed additional crimes. Throw the lot in jail!
Nobody is going to punish security people that act reasonably (I didn't see roughing up, I saw control of a criminal that might be armed with a deadly weapon) in the current conditions.

https://sfstandard.com/criminal-justice/walgreens-san-francisco-guard-released-from-jail/
SF Walgreens Security Guard Freed From Jail; DA Won’t Pursue Murder Charge in Shooting

San Francisco Police Chief Bill Scott told The Standard on Friday that investigators arrested the guard on suspicion of murder because of the way he allegedly used his weapon. “You have to use force appropriately within the law,” Scott said.

But District Attorney Brooke Jenkins said Monday evening her office would not be pursuing a murder charge.

"After careful review of all of the evidence gathered by the San Francisco Police Department in this case, my office will not be pursuing murder charges, at this time, in connection to the shooting," Jenkins said. "We reviewed witness statements, statements from the suspect, and video footage of the incident and it does not meet the People’s burden to be able to prove beyond a reasonable doubt to a jury that the suspect is guilty of a crime. The evidence clearly shows that the suspect believed he was in mortal danger and acted in self-defense."
 

nsaspook

Joined Aug 27, 2009
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https://theconversation.com/debunki...ne-thinks-they-are-better-than-average-195527

Debunking the Dunning-Kruger effect – the least skilled people know how much they don't know, but everyone thinks they are better than average
To establish the Dunning-Kruger effect is an artifact of research design, not human thinking, my colleagues and I showed it can be produced using randomly generated data.

The Dunning and Kruger experiment did find a real effect – most people think they are better than average. But according to my team’s work, that is all Dunning and Kruger showed. The reality is that people have an innate ability to gauge their competence and knowledge. To claim otherwise suggests, incorrectly, that much of the population is hopelessly ignorant.
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/how-do-you-know/202012/dunning-kruger-isnt-real
 
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nsaspook

Joined Aug 27, 2009
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https://www.wsj.com/articles/navy-seal-ukraine-daniel-swift-a97491cd
The Navy SEAL Who Went to Ukraine Because He Couldn’t Stop Fighting
Daniel Swift was in his element waging America’s war on terror from Afghanistan to Yemen. After his marriage failed back home, he found a new purpose: killing Russians.
Daniel Glenn, a psychologist who works with veterans at the University of California, Los Angeles, said many tell him that the U.S. military does a great job preparing them to go to war, but not to return from it.
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Mr. Swift had wanted to be a Navy SEAL since childhood. After graduating from high school in rural Oregon in 2005, he married his high-school sweetheart and enlisted in the Navy.
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Mr. Swift died while still a SEAL, though AWOL, in a war to which the U.S. hasn’t committed troops. This has complicated his family’s effort to collect benefits from Washington.

A Navy spokesman said Mr. Swift was considered to be an active deserter at the time of his death, and that “we cannot speculate as to why the former Sailor was in Ukraine.” The Pentagon has yet to make a ruling on the family’s petition.

On Feb. 11, several SEALs attended Mr. Swift’s funeral in Oregon. In a video viewed by the Journal, one by one they punched metal SEAL pins into the surface of his casket, a SEAL ritual to the fallen.
Respect.
 
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