https://www.dallasnews.com/news/cri...cer-killed-jordan-edwards-faces-murder-charge

Roy Oliver, the fired Balch Springs police officer who shot and killed 15-year-old Jordan Edwards as he was driving away from a party, was arrested on a murder charge Friday night.

Oliver, 37, turned himself in at the Parker County Jail. Bail was set at $300,000. He posted bond and was out before 10 p.m.

 

Wow. You need to get out more. I'm conservative by most measures (other than religion) and that tends to get me labeled Republican even though the party leaves me cold. But anyway, the only people I know that are chronically miserable are all on the left. I retired at 51 and have been having a blast ever since. Sports, hobbies, the arts, travel - I do them all. I know plenty of fellow 'republicans' that are likewise self-sufficient and couldn't be more content with the lives they've built for themselves. The lefty friends I know live in rooms they rent from my righty friends, spend every cent they make (and more), bitch about their jobs, work until they die because they lived beyond their means for their whole lives, never do anything creative or fun besides gambling, and are generally not much fun to hang with. Yes, I can call them friends and share a few interests with them but, say, plan a vacation with them? Not a chance.

Must be a regional thing. I too am conservative money wise, but am more socially liberal. Having the GOP decide what people can and can't do is not for me. And before hitting me with the, "they don't do that", look at the ALEC website or really listen to what they (and for the most part) you guys in these threads are really saying.

You, tcm, nsa, jj and joey et al, sure don't come across online as happy. Only happy that HRC isn't president. But it could just be the way things appear on the internet.

And also don't keep putting me and most that you call 'liberal' as lazy none working freeloaders. I worked a full time job mostly 60+ hours a week, plus part time work when I could find it. But unlike my republican friends I didn't get a new car or truck every year, or a boat. Bought a house that I could afford and pay off before retirement. And naive enough to live by the 'golden rule'. Guess that comes from family having a long history of being Quakers or church of the Brethren.

 

You, tcm, nsa, jj and joey et al, sure don't come across online as happy. Only happy that HRC isn't president. But it could just be the way things appear on the internet.

I've seen that that Trump has shown his incompetence, pugnacity, reliably ill-designed policies, and his boorishness in many areas that causes his adversaries to see all shades of red and to lose control of their mental stability.

It's amusing at times but I don't derive my happiness from politics.

 

http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/07/us/san-diego-police-teen-shooting/index.html

The incident started when a 911 call came in early Saturday, asking officers to check on the welfare of an unarmed boy standing in front of Torrey Pines High School.
While the caller did not provide a name, preliminary information later determined the boy made the call and was referring to himself, San Diego Police said in a statement.

Suicide by cop?

 

http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/07/us/san-diego-police-teen-shooting/index.html

Suicide by cop?

Most likely, from what I gather... very sad indeed...

 

This is the on going law enforcement over all else mindset in practice. They are hired to arrest not execute. As time has gone by it is just getting worse. Even though you and your side in all of these type of debates won't allow that it is true. Just look at the fact of the FBI never has a "bad" shoot. They investigate themselves and never find against themselves. And that mentality has 'trickled down' to all law enforcement. I just hope and pray that neither you or nsa ever have a child or grandchild that gets in the "wrong place wrong time" situation. But then you guys would probably still say the cops were right.

First off, I insist on withholding judgement until the event is investigated. I prefer to allow the due process under the constitution to rule the day, NOT the rule of public opine.

Your issue is with the DOJ for NOT PROSECUTING. You need to find out WHY they didn't, not sit here and spew more bullshit.

As far as my child or grand kids, if they dance to the music, they will have to pay the piper. If your not familiar with that, it's If you can't do the time, don't do the crime. If you can't handle that, then if you want to pull a weapon on a cop, it could be suicide by cop. If you can't handle that ... join the police force and see for yourself. Take a ride along.

Read your copy of the U.S. Constitution. The court of public opinion has no standing.

Have you ever resisted arrest? If not, why not? The last time the cops detained me, I was resisting them putting me in their car, kicking their car door. It was a bad arrest and I was very belligerent. Yes, they took me to the station, and yes, they released me with no charges when they found out they were wrong. Of course that was many years ago.

The cops have an expectation of going home after their shift. Your not paying them to get injured on the job or get a beat down.

 

Must be a regional thing. I too am conservative money wise, but am more socially liberal. Having the GOP decide what people can and can't do is not for me. And before hitting me with the, "they don't do that", look at the ALEC website or really listen to what they (and for the most part) you guys in these threads are really saying.

You, tcm, nsa, jj and joey et al, sure don't come across online as happy. Only happy that HRC isn't president. But it could just be the way things appear on the internet.

I'm happy. The GOVERNMENT, tells you what to do. Like it or not. Where in the hell have you been the last sixty years? The federal government increased it's interference in everyone's life the whole 20th century. LBJ created the "war on poverty". Is the jury still out on that action? Jimmy Carter created the Department of Education. Has education improved? Every time the democrats, in the name of "helping people", create more BS. I'm sure everyone remembers that NO ONE read the ACA before it was passed, as the DEMS were more on passing the bill then debating the merits. The government is thigh deep into your business.

A federal government in internal conflicts is best for the people.

Do you remember 1976? There was a transitional quarter when they changed the fiscal year from 1 july to 1 october. The reason? They needed the extra three months to pass a budget. Care to speculate how many times a budget was passed before 30 Sept, the end of the fiscal year? FEW.

I say fire all their asses. The problem is, as each individual citizen see's it, their congress critters are OK, it's those other ones that are causing all the trouble.

In the words of the late "Senator Byrd d-WVA", I'm the chair of the Finance Committee. I will decide on where the money goes. Visit WVA and see all the things named after Byrd. How many federal operations centers are in WVA?

How many corporations, with big government contracts, have a department that tracks how much money is spent in each congressional district ... including jobs? More than you know.

Yeah, I'm happy. But my happiness isn't derived from the government.

 

http://www.kptv.com/story/35400500/...ppbs-response-to-may-day-march?autostart=true

PPB's response to the May Day protest was disproportionate and dangerous. First-hand accounts from our legal observers and march organizers make it clear that there was very little violence or property destruction prior to the cancellation of the permit.

Right, activists' own account of what happened that day.
https://www.facebook.com/danielvincentmedia/videos/1315681411852731

 

Another body dumped out here (lots of open space near the road). Looks like the locals think it's from out of the city.

http://www.kgw.com/news/fairview-homicide-investigation/438951317

 

http://www.kgw.com/news/investigations/the-drug-whisperer/439090303

'The Drug Whisperer' | Drivers arrested while stone cold sober

 

First off, I insist on withholding judgement until the event is investigated.

Ah, yes. I mistakenly attributed that to @nsaspook Thanks for coming around the same corner a second time and saving me the trouble of searching this Thread to see where I went wrong.

As a LEO, I promise to investigate myself and find no wrong doing. That will satisfy all the JoeJesters in the audience. The D.A. rarely presents anything to a Grand Jury, and if that happens, only the facts the D.A. wants included will be presented. The odds on me being prosecuted for anything while I am guilty are about 1/2 of 1%.

 

The court of public opinion has no standing.

The court of public opinion has all the standing when Jury Nullification is the only way to stop bad faith charges.
I have personally seen it in action.

Cops committing perjury and laughing about it while on the witness stand. The cops were never charged, but the defendants were declared, "not guilty". Our tax dollars at work railroading innocent people just because 95% of the suspects, "cop a plea" when threatened with several hundred years in jail on trumped up charges.

 

http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/12/us/former-los-angeles-county-sheriff-baca-sentence/index.html

The US attorney's office said Baca was the 10th member of the sheriff's department convicted in the obstruction scheme. Former Undersheriff Paul Tanaka was sentenced to five years in federal prison.
The US attorney's statement said 11 other ex-deputies have been convicted on federal charges, mostly related to beatings of inmates and coverups.
Current LA County Sheriff Jim McDonnell issued this statement Friday:

Could not happen to a nicer guy.

 

Why aren't those who commit perjury charged?

Where is the DOJ?

I know, little PR value, so no need to charge.

Your issue isn't with me. I say if the investigation shows merit for charging ... Go for it. If they can't do the time, they shouldn't be doing the crime.

 

https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/20...oronto-officer-says-he-meant-to-fire-gun.html

A Toronto police officer accused of careless use of a firearm saw his criminal charge withdrawn Tuesday, after testifying that he in fact intentionally shot a man in the arm during a tense undercover operation at a downtown hotel last year.

 

I say if the investigation shows merit for charging ... Go for it.

Either you weren't paying attention to this Thread or I only thought I posted the moment when the Albuquerque D.A. resigned because she finally met a video of a police murder she couldn't stomach. Yes, that was the first cop she charged with anything since she took office, 16 years before she quit.

Where is the DOJ?

Here is a tiny bit of the facts which brought the DOJ down on them, except the DOJ can't seem to get any traction in Albuquerque.

"refusing to cooperate with the Civilian Oversight Board created after the U.S. Justice Department began investigating APD for excessive force."
"cover-ups including allegedly altering lapel camera evidence."
http://www.kob.com/albuquerque-news...z-letter-criticism-bernalillo-county/4367356/

17 year old skateboarder at skateboarding park shot dead. Police ask for help finding the murderer...until they find out it was a LEO.
No charges filed because bullet holes in his back are insufficient evidence of a homicide.
http://www.koat.com/article/distric...charges-in-deadly-skate-park-shooting/8518534

"It's not a problem unique to Albuquerque, Klein adds. "It's everywhere — we're just the pimple that is bursting."
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture...police-force-gone-wild-20150129#ixzz3QJY22uZ5

"The department worked to maintain a professional working relationship with Brandenburg and her office during her 16-year tenure that ended Jan. 1, Eden said."
Not one cop charged in 16 years.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/jan/11/outgoing-da-criticizes-albuquerque-police-in-scath/

"Brandenburg's move to seek charges marked a major shift from her previous decisions not go after Albuquerque officers linked to more than 40 police shootings since 2010."
Then she rats out the Blue Mafia: “If any other group of individuals were acting the way APD has allegedly been acting, some of us in law enforcement might refer to them as a continuing criminal enterprise …"
http://readersupportednews.org/news...-under-attack-after-charging-cops-with-murder

I've been peppering the entire length of this Thread (of nearly 2000 posts) with evidence that there is a serious problem (which is being revealed by cameras ubiquitously available), and a couple of people here still can't see it.

First off, I insist on withholding judgement until the event is investigated.

Are you going to wait for every police department in the U.S.A. to be investigated in one, single, all encompassing investigation before you believe there is a problem?
A problem with over 1,000 deaths per year?
A problem with the, "good cops" not testifying against the, "bad cops"?
Or failing to control their passionate beatings and rabid shootings while they are on the streets?
Or failing to get the, "bad cops" to read the U.S. Constitution?

I started my relationship with the police when one of them was fairly confident that he could display his dominance over an 8 year old (me) playing in a mud puddle.
It didn't work. I wasn't stupid enough to believe the chest-thumping, of the mental equivalent of a gorilla, meant that I was just treated fairly by a person who deserves respect.
Now, I can't catch up, or even keep up, with the youtube videos and news articles about police convictions, incompetence, willful ignorance, petty power trips, unconstitutional behavior, unprovoked beatings, mysterious deaths, and shootings of unarmed people based on, "no crime happened, was reported, or was even suspected". I have seen videos of: cops arriving at a traffic accident and shooting the first person who got out of a damaged car, cops who beat unconscious people for, "not complying", cops who said, "you didn't do anything wrong and you're under arrest", cops who arrested people for DUI after they blew a 0.00 on the breathalyzer, and when the lab test came back, the police said the lab was wrong. Odd...lab tests are never wrong when they convict a person, but they are always wrong when they exonerate a person. Meanwhile 60,000 drug tests were thrown into question because Annie Dookhan didn't feel like doing them. She just guessed, added real drugs, or added what the prosecutor wanted. It's called, "dry labing" and it happened in Massachusetts. https://www.prisonlegalnews.org/news/2015/apr/9/crime-labs-still-crisis/

Sorry, gotta go. My real life is interrupting.

 

Another one of those posts that deserves a better type of 'button' than "like".

 

I've been peppering the entire length of this Thread (of nearly 2000 posts) with evidence that there is a serious problem (which is being revealed by cameras ubiquitously available), and a couple of people here still can't see it.

I "see it", but what I don't see is a way out.

The cops serve as our agents. We hire and pay them, and we evaluate their performance. From the mile-high view, they are us.

If they don't meet our expectations, if we don't like what they're doing, what do we do?

This thread was started in part to reject one 'solution', a federal takeover of local law enforcement. I don't believe for a minute that such a takeover would improve policing, would cost less, or would cause policing to better meet local expectations. Like every big government activity, it would cost a ridiculous sum, would enable corruption at a grand scale, and put an upper limit on quality. We would pay more and get less. Demeaning local law enforcement, in a political war on cops, was part of the strategy to drive us towards the takeover option. I think that battle has ended.

Another possible solution that is hard to sell is to pay more for policing. Hire better candidates and train them more. This would probably reduce incidents. But you'd have to sell the locals on footing the bill. Despite the many incidents you have exposed, many of which I agree are horrendous, I'm wondering just how much outrage there really is in the communities where these events occurred. Are these communities rising up, demanding to raise their taxes to support a more professional force? I don't think so. And of course there is the problem of enforcement in some neighborhoods being paid for by people in other neighborhoods. Do the people of St. Louis want to pay more taxes to improve the professionalism of the police force in Ferguson?

I think law-abiding citizens know and accept that law enforcement is not a great job, and that mistakes will be made on both sides. Cops will kill and be killed, at times in ways that may have been preventable. Could the mistake rate be reduced? Maybe, but we don't want to pay for it. We tacitly accept a number of tragic deaths on both sides. Citizens in turn give the police a lot of latitude to get their dirty jobs done and protect us at minimal cost. We look the other way as long as we are not affected directly. Do you scrutinize the efficiency of the guy that scrapes roadkill off the streets? No, we allot him a budget and trust he does his job as best as possible. We try to not even think about it unless a rotting corpse is too close to our home for too long. I think it's the same with cops. We begrudgingly pay our taxes and try not to have anything to do with whatever goes on in their world.

If you are advocating a change, tell us what that change is! It's not good enough to just complain that cops should do a better job and not get killed or kill citizens as often. What exactly would you do to improve things?

 

I "see it", but what I don't see is a way out.

Well, nsaspook keeps saying, "burn it all down" like an FBI agent provocateur looking for an FBI created, "terrorist" to arrest. If anybody is stupid enough to say, "Your idea has merit" then the FBI will equip them with a fake "bomb" that they could never design or pay for on their own, then arrest and convict them of being a vicious international "terrorist", part of a "vast conspiracy" who was "apprehended" while "fleeing" to his "compound" when, in fact, he was driving to his bedroom in his mother's basement carrying a bag of groceries next to the box of fake "bomb" parts. But then, your stature is known by the quality of your enemies (I can't remember whether that was Sun Tzu in The Art of War or Marlon Brando in The Godfather.) and the FBI is looking for a certain quality of enemy...one too stupid to keep his mouth shut when it's full of beer. https://www.rt.com/usa/174484-hrw-fbi-sting-entrapment/

Some even lower forms of intelligence say, "Americans have enough guns to take their country back." 1) I hope it doesn't go that way! and 2) I don't believe 100 million citizen guns stand a chance against armed forces that could take out any other country on the planet. I wonder why local police forces have received more than $6 billion worth of military grade weapons. http://www.dla.mil/DispositionServices/Offers/Reutilization/LawEnforcement.aspx

I can see some routes.

First, public filming + public communication are having an effect, and it's getting stronger. If our government gets frightened, they can take out the Internet (the method is already installed) and stop the witnesses from being effective. They are already calling Snowden, Assange, retired veterans, and survivalists equal to terrorists. If you read the government documents, you can fit just about anybody into the shape they call a terrorist, like anyone who objects to being under constant surveillance. That is one reason not to want our government to track your daily positions, travels, and associates. With that information, they can take out 99% of any American group, at any time they like, and at about the speed of a slow blink. When the government has nothing left to fear...I think JoeJester answered that in this Thread. "The government should fear its citizens." And that's a slight perversion of a quotation from one of our founding fathers. (I was sure I would never need that History class I slept through in High School.)

2) The popular media have not presented much about police crimes until recently. They are going the other way right now because police crime is real news and the Internet has been kicking their butts, but they can easily be silenced again. This time it won't be by the purse strings, it will be by intimidation, like calling them, "fake news". You know that the minute they p!$$ off Trump with, "Constitutional garbage", that's what he will call them. Local police already use, "Constitutionalist" as a dirty word like the old, "long haired hippie type pinko fag".

3) That district court ruling enforcing the right to hire low I.Q. cops (instead of placing smarter people in positions where their talents would be effective) simply has to go. The way it stands now, the quality of the average police person is in a race to the bottom by the hiring of as many fools as possible, for the lowest wages they will accept, to man that shiny, new, $6 billion worth of military grade hardware. I wonder where you could expend/discharge $6 billion worth of military grade hardware in the U.S.A. in addition to the 660,000 police persons who were already armed before the 1033 program.

4) While we're on the subject of courts, the local D.A. should not be local. They have to work with the same cops every day of their career and that breeds loyalty to the local system, not The Constitution. I say, rotate D.A. groups every 30 days. The cops won't get comfortable enough to charge a school kid with stealing a 65 cent carton of milk at a, "Free Lunch" school program while a LEO isn't even charged with, "discharging a firearm within the city limits" after shooting an unarmed man in the back.

Brain ran dry. I hope I mentioned something you didn't already think of.
You are allowed to ask questions. I think I did a pretty good job of verbal diarrhea but I have a few extrapolations and citations left if you want a couple of them.

 

@#12

I'm not disagreeing with your points. I would love to see how many departments hire using the Wonderlic testing. New London CT is not a good model. Remember, they won an eminent domain case over a decade ago based on "potential economic development." You can look today and see there has been no "economic development" so I suspect the people should be upset and replace that council with others. New London city council is one for the record books and the sooner they are voted out, the sooner they can be moved to the annals of history.

Why isn't DOJ going after these crimes? They declined to prosecute in some of the more publicized cases recently.

Hey, if a bad cop is charged and convicted ... hang em' for all I care. It would be good riddance. The DPD (Dallas) is losing cops left and right these days. Some are blaming the changes in the retirement plan for all that were manifested by the mismanagement of the retirement funds.

Most officers are moving on to higher paying jobs in area's with less crime.

The problem with public filming is the timing. Rarely do we get the whole story. When did the chase begin? What did the officer do and what did the suspect do in the minutes leading up to time zero, the point where the officer decided to engage the suspect.

I don't know too many cops that engage without some form of probable cause.
Click it or ticket is in full force these days. I know of one cop who will just stand at a stop sign and catch a lot of people. The U.S. government sponsors click it or ticket, by funding a portion of the overtime. How do they see if it's working? What is their metric? I suspect their metric is the number of people caught each year in the crackdown. Stop the funding and the program goes away.


I will always side with the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.