I am missing something here - I always thought that one became a police officer to protect life. The assumption I would have as a police officer is that it is my life that is going to be risked. A suspect is to be apprehended alive so that they could be brought before a judge - what good is a dead suspect? Now we have police officers handing out death sentences to everyone because what? they did not sign up for a job where their life is at risk? are they all trained to shoot to kill now? But yes, i agree with the intelligence levels - there is nothing worse than a scared person that thinks they have power and authority...

 

I am missing something here - I always thought that one became a police officer to protect life. The assumption I would have as a police officer is that it is my life that is going to be risked. A suspect is to be apprehended alive so that they could be brought before a judge - what good is a dead suspect? Now we have police officers handing out death sentences to everyone because what? they did not sign up for a job where their life is at risk? are they all trained to shoot to kill now? But yes, i agree with the intelligence levels - there is nothing worse than a scared person that thinks they have power and authority...

It's the new Rudy G. thing.
Shoot and frisk.
Sorry, couldn't resist.

 

We need an invention. A device that is incapacitating but not lethal.

Stun guns?
Rubber bullets?

Neither are effective in some instances.

 

I am missing something here - I always thought that one became a police officer to protect life. The assumption I would have as a police officer is that it is my life that is going to be risked.

Is this a reasonable risk for police officers or can we expect them to die because some think they should be disarmed?

Ask their spouses if they expect their other half to come home from work every night. Do you as taxpayers want them to survive their shift?

Those citizens in dallas that were caught in the crossfire know the officers that shielded them.

 

The NC one is a good example. The guy didn't do anything. What would have been lost by stepping back.

You can't step back today of you believe there is a armed and possible dangerous person.

I watched them tell the guy for at least a minute to put the gun down on that video, I didn't see a cop that behaved like a moron, was scared of his own shadow or acted like an adrenaline junkie. What I did see was a officer following correct procedure to the letter. Good shoot IMO.

 

Stun guns?
Rubber bullets?

Neither are effective in some instances.

No, something new.

 

You can't step back today of you believe there is a armed and possible dangerous person.

I watched them tell the guy for at least a minute to put the gun down on that video, I didn't see a cop that behaved like a moron, was scared of his own shadow or acted like an adrenaline junkie. What I did see was a officer following correct procedure to the letter. Good shoot IMO.

And the guy would still be alive if they would have backed off and let his wife talk to him.

 

Ask your local cops ... ask them about who is the toughest to take down without tasers or guns.

My guess it's someone strung out on PCP who doesn't want to cooperate with the police.

 

And the guy would still be alive if they would have backed off and let his wife talk to him.

She was too busy filming.

 

Is it reasonable to expect citizens to pay to live in fear of those who are protecting them? Think of how you are treated by airport security... feels good? Feels safe?

 

And the guy would still be alive if they would have backed off and let his wife talk to him.

Should, could, would.
He might have been ready to shoot his wife when the cops saw him with a gun instead of the book the wife said he had. It's just as possible the cops saved her life.

 

Is it reasonable to expect citizens to pay to live in fear of those who are protecting them? Think of how you are treated by airport security... feels good? Feels safe?

What percentage of Americans actually fear their local police? Even these rioting hoodlums call the cops when they are in trouble.

 

could have, would have, should have .... nice. Let's argue the suppositions.

My crystal ball is out for maintenance, so I won't attempt to play this game.

 

We need an invention. A device that is incapacitating but not lethal.
It would be helpful if it didn't hurt.

This being an electronic forum makes this suggestion seem like an opportunity. Perhaps a gun shaped thing that can deliver 50,000 volts through a couple of thin wires. We could call it a, "Taser".

Or get our two chemistry guys to come up with a liquid that burns the eyes and nose. We could call it, "Pepper Spray".

If all that fails, I guess the cops will just have to use some piece of wood they find by the road and call it a, "baton".

 

http://downtrend.com/71superb/black...bbed-at-gunpoint-wants-more-police-protection

http://abc13.com/news/students-concerned-about-increased-crime-near-uh/1504487/

 

All you naysayers should ask your local police if you can participate in the shoot/no shoot scenarios to get a better understanding of what they are facing.

Bad idea.
Some cops can't even refrain from shooting people at a shoot/no shoot demonstration.
http://kdvr.com/2016/08/09/woman-ac...shoot-training-exercise-at-police-department/

 

Neither are effective in some instances.

That's a good reason not to try them first. We're going straight for the center-of-mass, multiple kill shots before writing that traffic ticket, Mr. Castille.

 

You brought that up before ... and the cop should be held accountable for being stupid. How often does this happen?

In fact my son was shot twice in the arm, but his return fire knocked the shooter down as he hit the air intake on the shooters protective mask. It was probably the only time I was glad he was shot in that training exercise. The training rounds left a good mark on his forearm. I told him the next time he needs to stop by the sporting goods store to get some forearm pads.

 

If all that fails, I guess the cops will just have to use some piece of wood they find by the road and call it a, "baton".

We could call it the 'Hook'.

 

We're going straight for the center-of-mass, multiple kill shots before writing that traffic ticket, Mr. Castille.

What traffic ticket? there was NO traffic stop.

The same officer who recognized him as a suspect worked the earlier crime scene and saw the whole store video.

If there is one thing I’ve learned about media firestorms in the modern age of one-hour news cycles and 15-second attention spans, it’s that whoever tells the first story which the news media likes is the “winner.” Once the narrative is set in stone (when the news media works in unison that takes about two days, tops), the truth will face a battle that is severely uphill, into the wind, on ice, and will almost never prevail.
---John Ziegler July 2016