The war on cops, another chapter

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GopherT

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That takes experience. One thing I've noticed from the few times I've talked to a cop is that the older and more experienced one is more calm even though they had the same(similar) training as the younger ones.
Simulation and training are the fastest way to build experience. Pilots don't get to experience all the tough situations that they can encounter but simulation lets them come close and prepare. Process control software in the chemical industry can have simulation modes as well.
 

justtrying

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I do have high expectations from the police but to say aiming for LEO ZERO errors is just a rhetorical snort as people will game just about any system. It's better to be realistic and face the problem head-on. You F-up, you fall on the sword.
So this is how it got to us vs. them. When I fuck up, I fall on the sword. When they fuck up... ?
 

Sinus23

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Simulation and training are the fastest way to build experience. Pilots don't get to experience all the tough situations that they can encounter but simulation lets them come close and prepare. Process control software in the chemical industry can have simulation modes as well.
Simulation doesn't really cover nor understand the personalized reasoning in the split second that the arm of the law, average citizen or a criminal minded person acts or reacts. So the results may not comply to reality.

Hope you can make any sense of it because it was hard to construct for a non-English speaker:oops:


But yes I agree that simulation and training are the fastest way to build experience before you are sent on your way.
 

nsaspook

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I maintain that being a cop is no different than dealing with the machines and equipment.
You can believe that but the reality is far different. The fact that the police don't treat people as machines or equipment is vastly more a positive than a negative in most interactions. To attempt to condition them as protocol following drones is a precursor to dystopian nightmare. There needs to be a strict legal framework for them to operate but mechanical justice will quickly become inhuman justice.

This latest shooting looks like a negligent discharge (ND) from an Hispanic SWAT officer who missed his target from 50 yards out with 3 shots (seems like a full-auto burst) from a rifle. If true that's just plain old human negligence from his finger being on the trigger.


https://www.calibrepress.com/2015/07/negligent-shootings/
 
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wayneh

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I had to check to make sure it wasn't an April Fools article.

You know, a private company might set itself up for a class action lawsuit if it actively avoided hiring smart employees. As soon as some perceived harm is noted, bang, a lawsuit from the "injured" customer or shareholder. I can just picture an HR guy on the witness stand having to explain why they rejected all the smart applicants.
 
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justtrying

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I generally hope the news is lying to me. Then I start to dig into the story and I wish that I hadn't as what I find is usually worse than the news...

The only thing is, as a rule of thumb, those who complain the loudest are often at fault themselves
 

GopherT

Joined Nov 23, 2012
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I had to check to make sure it wasn't an April Fools article.

You know, a private company might set itself up for a class action lawsuit if it actively avoided hiring smart employees. As soon as some perceived harm is noted, bang, a lawsuit from the "injured" customer or shareholder. I can just picture an HR guy on the witness stand having to explain why they rejected all the smart applicants.
It happens all the time and there is even a catch phrase for it - "over qualified".
 

Sinus23

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It happens all the time and there is even a catch phrase for it - "over qualified".
True story. The first time I saw that word was in my brothers Oxford English dictionary when I flipped the pages just to find a name for a song I had made. I was 26 at the time.
 

nsaspook

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...i-315pm:homepage/story&utm_term=.ec4094b8dfad
Galvin also told reporters that “the police officer who you’ve just heard named, who has been put on leave, totally violated his trust from the public to protect and serve.”

While Galvin did not specify which officer he was referring to, he appeared to be referring to Hollant, adding: “By giving misinformation to this department, he not only jeopardized Mr. Kinsey’s life and the life of his client, but he jeopardized the life of every police officer who serves in this city.”

“We will not tolerate those types of behavior,” he said.
That's what I want to hear.
 

shortbus

Joined Sep 30, 2009
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When I fuck up, I fall on the sword. When they fuck up... ?
The problem in the police shooting cases is, the local prosecutor is usually the one that has to charge a cop. And if they do, and succeed then the cops stop doing their jobs. In the case of some cops that would be a good thing, the good cops also stop to show solidarity.

A case in point is the Tamir Rice shooting. The cop that fired the first shot was fired from another city's force, for not being police material and hired by the one he was then working at when he shot the boy. If your fired from one force, your name should be on a list so you can't/won't ever be hired as a cop somewhere else.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Tamir_Rice
 
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