The war on cops, another chapter

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cmartinez

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Yes. What that means according to you?
I think it means Argentinians have to be cleaner than the rest of us... seriously, I can't recall Argentina being more affected by SARS or an inluenza epidemic than any other country... down here we only shake hands, (sometimes we hug, but only between very close friends) and a few years ago we were struck with a very stubborn strand of viral conjuntivitis that wouldn't go away...
 

nsaspook

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http://www.kptv.com/story/35275683/...og-to-search-for-stolen-heroin?autostart=true
AKRON, Ohio (AP) - Police say an Ohio man called 911 to request a police dog to help track down heroin allegedly stolen from him.
Why police officers with low IQ is not a problem.

http://www.news5cleveland.com/news/national/man-arrested-at-disney-urinates-on-cop
According to the WKMG report, Joseph Murphy was charged with battery on an officer, indecent exposure of sexual organs and resisting an officer without violence. The incident took place near the Disney Springs resort.

After Murphy was placed into a Florida Highway Patrol cruiser, police reported that he banged his head into a partition and tried to choke himself. He then yelled expletives at law enforcement. Murphy also reportedly yelled "(expletive) Donald Trump" at the officers.
Snowflake.
 

tcmtech

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Money is every bit as filthy as public door knobs. I carry wipes in my car and clean my hands every time I leave a public building. Every time I arrive at home, the first move is to wash my hands. It seems to be working. I think I've had two colds in the last 30 years.
That's why I carry an immune system and let it update itself as often as it needs to.
 

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That's why I carry an immune system and let it update itself as often as it needs to.
Once upon a time, I had that conversation with a doctor. Their position is, "Every illness that can be avoided, should be avoided."
Then I thought about it. I can understand the physician POV. If we never had any illness, the injuries would not accumulate. There is only so many times the base cells can replace the dead or damaged cells. If the injury is severe enough to need scar tissue, that scar tissue will never become effective lung tissue or liver tissue, or whatever used to be in that position. Still, the answer is not clear. I summon @Hypatia's Protege

If a person avoids, for instance, rhino viruses, for 30 or 40 years, do the viruses in the wild gain an advantage in the perpetual arms race between immune systems and disease processes? Or is the result of the next viral assault pretty much the same as if you get a cold every 3 months because, "not immune to that particular virus" is a digital equation? "1" you have immunity, "0" you don't. Do all respiratory system viruses attack in the same way and it is perfectly OK to die of old age without acquiring every virus you had offered to you on dirty door knobs and paper money? Or is it more like, several families of viruses are related and cross immunity happens to a significant degree?

I think the answer is: Nobody ever did that study.

So, what's the prevailing theory right now?
 

cmartinez

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My dad was a pediatrician. He said that over-protecting children by insisting in excessive cleanliness (the operative word being excessive, a child must be kept clean, but it also must be allowed to play in the mud) would not allow for his metabolism to expose itself to common germs and build defenses as it grows, often ending in the child developing severe allergies and becoming prone to infections as he/she grows.

So there actually is a "sweet spot" when it comes to cleanliness. Too little and the results are obvious, too much and the body's defenses weaken.
 
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atferrari

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My post was meant as a joke, not as a put down to you or your country. Sorry if it was taken as an insult. should have left the ? off and just used a period, I guess. Jokes are sometimes hard to put into the written word.
Do not worry shortbus. I believed I was answering properly but it sounds not like that precisely. My ability to joke is impaired by the somewhat brutal pier environment I use to work quite often at.

Regarding harsh environments I was told by a she doctor that the worst one is the mouth. French kissing, hmm...
 

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wayneh

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My dad was a pediatrician. He said that over-protecting children by insisting in excessive cleanliness (the operative word being excessive, a child must be kept clean, but it also must be allowed to play in the mud) would not allow for his metabolism to expose itself to common germs and build defenses as it grows, often ending in the child developing severe allergies and becoming prone to infections as he/she grows.

So there actually is a "sweet spot" when it comes to cleanliness. Too little and the results are obvious, too much and the body's defenses weaken.
That's dead on. I just watched a talk by Dr. Axe called "Eat Dirt", which says essentially the same thing. You need exposure to a small amount of dirt on the veggies from the farmers market, local honey, and a pet. These things help your immune system and prevent leaky gut among other problems.
 

tcmtech

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Or is it more like, several families of viruses are related and cross immunity happens to a significant degree?

I think the answer is: Nobody ever did that study.
Really? :confused:

It's been heavily studied and is the basic operating concept behind much immunisation vaccines and largely how our own antibodies in our immune systems themselves work.

One of the first ones was using cowpox as a sort of immunity primer vaccine for smallpox.

https://www.historyofvaccines.org/timeline

http://content.healthaffairs.org/content/24/3/611.full

So, no. avoiding 'dirty things' is not good for your immune system or long term health. Getting sick now and then and thus keeping your immune system updated may very well be what keeps a more virulent virus from killing you someday. ;)
 

nsaspook

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I found a couple of articles about the topic of this Thread. One house mistakenly raided over 50 times:
http://www.popfi.com/2010/03/19/cops-raid-wrong-house-over-50-times/

And 95 people killed "by mistake":
http://thefreethoughtproject.com/21...d-accidental-shootings-raids-wrong-addresses/

Want to guess how many of these include, "We have investigated ourselves and found we did nothing wrong"?
Or, "No charges were filed"?
Blame the idiotic programmer for putting in a real address as the default during a test that poisoned the database.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/computer-snafu-behind-50-raids-brooklyn-couple-home-article-1.173029
Blame it on a computer.

Embarrassed cops on Thursday cited a "computer glitch" as the reason police targeted the home of an elderly, law-abiding couple more than 50 times in futile hunts for bad guys.

Apparently, the address of Walter and Rose Martin's Brooklyn home was used to test a department-wide computer system in 2002.
Similar story. http://fusion.net/how-an-internet-mapping-glitch-turned-a-random-kansas-f-1793856052
http://fusion.net/why-lost-phones-keep-pointing-at-this-atlanta-couples-h-1793854491
For the last decade, Taylor and her renters have been visited by all kinds of mysterious trouble. They've been accused of being identity thieves, spammers, scammers and fraudsters. They've gotten visited by FBI agents, federal marshals, IRS collectors, ambulances searching for suicidal veterans, and police officers searching for runaway children. They've found people scrounging around in their barn. The renters have been doxxed, their names and addresses posted on the internet by vigilantes. Once, someone left a broken toilet in the driveway as a strange, indefinite threat.
Over the last year, more than a dozen people have shown up at Christina Lee and Michael Saba's door in Atlanta looking for stolen smartphones. The visitors' find-my-phone apps say their phones are inside the house, but they're not. It's been frustrating for Lee and Saba, not just because they fear someone angry and violent might show up one day, but because they didn't know what was causing it.
At least with some of the bad shootings listed in the anti-cop link above the cop shot themselves.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/08/1...n-after-accidentally-shooting-himself-in.html
NEW YORK – A New York City police officer who accidentally shot himself in the leg while holstering his weapon is in stable condition.

The police department said the officer was responding to a domestic dispute in Brooklyn on Saturday night. Police said the officer was inside a home in the Bedford-Stuyvesant neighborhood when his gun accidentally discharged as he was holstering his weapon. No one else was injured.
http://bangordailynews.com/2013/06/...mistake-led-to-accidentally-shooting-himself/
BANGOR, Maine — Police Chief Mark Hathaway said Friday that he made a very serious mistake while cleaning his new duty weapon that caused him to shoot himself in the left hand. The city manager agreed and has ordered Hathaway to undergo additional gun safety training.
 
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JoeJester

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So, two cops shot themselves. Probably adds to the cop shooting statistics. Additional training. Yep.

It's really funny when the top cop (police chief) does stupid shit.
 
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