The war on cops, another chapter

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tcmtech

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I had a nice reply to you regarding the cultural differences as to why we don't have that problem here but it was deleted it for 'profanity' sake. :mad:

Mod edit: abbreviated profanity doesn't cut it either.
Ya could have done that to begin with.:rolleyes:

I wouldn't have minded. Probably wouldn't have even noticed given all the otter odd wording issues I see with my own posts and most mothers due to spell cheek auto connect screw ups. :(
 

nsaspook

Joined Aug 27, 2009
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Below is the website that keeps track of police arrests and convictions AFTER the investigation process has failed.
Wait. I mean after the deeming process didn't work. The investigation worked just fine.

https://www.policemisconduct.net/
That's a lot better.

and here's a case the cops just love to talk about after work.
http://www.al.com/news/huntsville/index.ssf/2017/03/gun_falls_from_inmates_body_ca.html
It's not yet clear whether the owner wants it back, but Limestone County authorities recovered a stolen gun when it fell from an inmate's body cavity during a search at the jail.

Jesse O'Neal Roberts, 23, of Elkmont, was being booked into the Limestone County Jail on a misdemeanor charge of public intoxication when the weapon fell from his body, said sheriff's spokesman Stephen Young.

This is a stock photo of the Jimenez .380-caliber pistol, like the one that fell from an inmate's body cavity in Limestone County.Limestone County Sheriff's Office
"I immediately considered that he defecated on himself before noticing a familiar shape in the form of a pistol in his boxers," a corrections officer said in a report.
 

JoeJester

Joined Apr 26, 2005
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It would have been an interesting press release if Jesse's weapon discharged in his "holster".

Would that be a "cop killing" because Jesse was in police custody?
 

RichardO

Joined May 4, 2013
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I was walking toward a green light when a local LBO* pulled up to the red light in the cross traffic direction. I thought to myself, "At least sitting at a red light is a bit of time while his not doing any harm". A moment later he started to move and I expected him to do a right turn on red -- which is legal here.

No! Instead he did a u-turn in the middle of the intersection against the red light. No lights, no siren, no respect for the law or public safety.


*Law Breaking Officer.
 

ronv

Joined Nov 12, 2008
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I was walking toward a green light when a local LBO* pulled up to the red light in the cross traffic direction. I thought to myself, "At least sitting at a red light is a bit of time while his not doing any harm". A moment later he started to move and I expected him to do a right turn on red -- which is legal here.

No! Instead he did a u-turn in the middle of the intersection against the red light. No lights, no siren, no respect for the law or public safety.


*Law Breaking Officer.
I had one of those a few weeks ago.
I was first in line waiting for a green. The guy next to me in the right turn lane decided he wanted to go straight, so he punched it thru in front of me - no problem, but there was a motorcycle cop sitting on the curb waiting for red light runners I guess. Well the guy in the car was no problem but I almost hit the cop coming off the curb after him.
 

nsaspook

Joined Aug 27, 2009
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No! Instead he did a u-turn in the middle of the intersection against the red light. No lights, no siren, no respect for the law or public safety.


*Law Breaking Officer.
Excellent point.
That's something we all see and needs to stop unless it's a serious crime. Police caused traffic accidents are far too high nationwide and they get almost none of the attention that 'shooting' does.

http://wjla.com/news/crime/cop-crui...cost-when-local-police-cause-accidents-109196
http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/29/polit...ional-law-enforcement-officers-memorial-fund/
 

tcmtech

Joined Nov 4, 2013
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I was walking toward a green light when a local LBO* pulled up to the red light in the cross traffic direction. I thought to myself, "At least sitting at a red light is a bit of time while his not doing any harm". A moment later he started to move and I expected him to do a right turn on red -- which is legal here.

No! Instead he did a u-turn in the middle of the intersection against the red light. No lights, no siren, no respect for the law or public safety.
I grew up near small town where the village idiot mayor and his crooked ex cop buddy did crap like that all day every day because they had most of the town convinced that as the mayor and a former cop they were above the law. :mad:

Local real cops however were very good. In fact I and most of the 'bad seed kids' those tow pinheads harassed every chance they could find reason to rather enjoyed shooting the breeze with them and ratting out the POS mayor and his crooked ex cop buddy to them regarding their 'above the law' antics that went on when they weren't around. ;)
 

nsaspook

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Another police 'shooting'.

http://news3lv.com/news/local/polic...lved-shooting-near-buffalo-and-mountains-edge
LVMPD say when they spotted the burglary suspect he was carrying a shotgun. One officer fired at the thief but missed. The burglar ran away but that’s when his next door neighbor stepped in and confronted the thief. The homeowner swung his baseball bat and hit the burglar in the face.

“It got to the point where I don't know what went through his head but he went outside and hit him with the bat,” said the homeowner.

The homeowner says the impact of the baseball swing sent the burglary over a wall and into a yard of another property. Police quickly caught up with the suspect and made an arrest.

“I think he's stupid for doing it that way. If he wants to burglarize he should come during the day when no one is home. Obviously, it didn't work out for him,” the homeowner tells us.

The homeowner tells us he is grateful that his neighbor helped nab a thief.

“It feels great. We have great neighbors. I guess he got what’s coming to him,” the homeowner said.
 
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nsaspook

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http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-police-slowdown-20170401-story.html
“Not to make fun of it, but a lot of guys are like, ‘Look, I’m just going to act like a fireman.’ I’m going to handle my calls for service and the things that I have to do,” said George Hofstetter, a motorcycle deputy in Pico Rivera and former president of the union representing L.A. County sheriff’s deputies. “But going out there and making traffic stops and contacting persons who may be up to something nefarious? ‘I’m not going to do that anymore.’”

LAPD officers are troubled by contentious demonstrations at Police Commission meetings and by public criticism of their colleagues for using deadly force, said Robert Harris, a police officer on the LAPD union’s board of directors.

“Suddenly, you feel like you can’t do any police work, because every opportunity that you have might turn into the next big media case,” Harris said. “Of course, you’re going to take stock a little bit more, I think, before you put yourself out there like that.”

The recent decline in police activity is not limited to arrests: The number of field interview cards, or FI cards, written by officers has plummeted at both the LAPD and the L.A. County Sheriff’s Department.
 

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wayneh

Joined Sep 9, 2010
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"The recent decline in police activity is not limited to arrests: The number of field interview cards, or FI cards, written by officers has plummeted at both the LAPD and the L.A. County Sheriff’s Department."

That won't end well.
 

nsaspook

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http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/20...d-light-tickets-due-to-shortened-yellow-time/
FREMONT (KPIX 5) — What difference does seven-tenths of a second make? For two intersections in Fremont that suddenly churned out hundreds of red light tickets to drivers — the answer is about half a million dollars.

The city proposes to shell out at least $490,000 to drivers after it was revealed a mixup resulted in a change to the yellow light duration.

“They shortened the yellows,” said traffic camera activist Jim Lissner. “That’s the smoking gun.”

Earlier this month, KPIX 5 reported on the skyrocketing number of red-light camera tickets at the intersections of Mowry Avenue and Farwell Drive, along with Mowry and Blacow Road. The yellow light times at these two Fremont intersections lasted just 4 seconds for a chunk of 2016, not the 4.7 seconds the city claims online.
https://www.thenewspaper.com/news/51/5144.asp
Short yellow times meant big cash for the city of Fremont, California. Merely by shaving 0.7 seconds from the yellow light timing at a pair of intersections one year ago, the city's private ticketing vendor, Redflex Traffic Systems, was able to generate nearly $200,000 a month in extra citations over the course of nine months. The Highwayrobbery.net website uncovered the evidence during a routine review of red light camera program records.

Originally, the intersection of Mowry Avenue and Farwell Drive and the intersection of Mowry Avenue and Blacow Road each had a 4.0 second yellow time. In August 2015, the city had no choice but to boost the timing to 4.7 after the California Department of Transportation (CalTrans) applied new signal timing regulations requiring the use of realistic speed estimates when timing lights. Then the city decided in February 2016 to switch the traffic survey used so that it could lower the speed limit and slash the yellow back to 4.0 seconds at both locations.
https://www.thenewspaper.com/news/34/3436.asp
While a 0.7 second difference in the duration of the yellow warning at an intersection might appear insignificant, the extra margin of safety is critical. The vast majority of straight-through red light "violations" happen when a driver misjudges the end of the yellow light by less than 0.25 seconds -- literally the blink of an eye (view Texas Transportation Institute (TTI) chart). In most cases, a yellow shortened by one second can increase the number of tickets issued by 110 percent, according to a TTI report. Confidential documents uncovered in a San Diego court trial prove that the city and its private vendor, now Affiliated Computer Services (ACS), colluded to install red light cameras only at intersections found to have short yellow times (view documents), thereby maximizing profits.
 

nsaspook

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Something to remember: You cannot have a drag race or an exhibition of speed without moving, Kansas Supreme Court rules.

https://www.thenewspaper.com/news/51/5177.asp
A quick stoplight burnout, while stationary, is not an "exhibition of speed," the Kansas Supreme Court ruled earlier this month. A majority of justices came to this conclusion in finding that Officer Donald Bowers lacked the authority to pull over Travis Sharp on January 25, 2013 after he briefly spun his SUV's tires at a stoplight.

Officer Bowers testified that he believed Sharp was spinning his SUV tires at the busy intersection in preparation for a drag race. When the light turned green, however, the SUV entered the intersection at a perfectly normal, legal speed. Once they had cleared the intersection, Officer Bowers activated the overhead lights on his squad car and ordered Sharp to pull over.
https://www.thenewspaper.com/rlc/docs/2017/ks-burnout.pdf
 

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wayneh

Joined Sep 9, 2010
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The shortened yellow is what played out in Chicago. Public uproar eventually forced the city to reverse the scam, which removed a lot of the revenue coming in from the cameras, and led to a number of corruptions being exposed. Business as usual in Chicago.
 

#12

Joined Nov 30, 2010
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"The recent decline in police activity is not limited to arrests: The number of field interview cards, or FI cards, written by officers has plummeted at both the LAPD and the L.A. County Sheriff’s Department."

That won't end well.
I think it is starting to end well.
Police are not allowed to detain a person and demand identification (papiere bitte) without "reasonable articulable suspicion" of a crime (Terry v. Ohio).
Field Interrogation cards are just more of The Surveillance State, and people are getting wise to that.
Merely allowing a written record of your identity puts you on a list of having, "previous contact" with the police, and that is interpreted by beat cops as, "troublemaker" or, "heightened suspicion".
Besides, a Field Interrogation can end in death...or even start with death. People have been shot in the back just for trying to avoid a Field Interrogation. It has become so common that a recent Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court decision declared that running from a police officer is not, in and of itself, "suspicious behavior".

"The finding that black males in Boston are disproportionately and repeatedly targeted for FIO [Field Interrogation and Observation] encounters suggests a reason for flight totally unrelated to consciousness of guilt. Such an individual, when approached by the police, might just as easily be motivated by the desire to avoid the recurring indignity of being racially profiled as by the desire to hide criminal activity."

http://www.wbur.org/news/2016/09/20...men-may-have-legitimate-reason-to-flee-police

Standing your ground and refusing to verbally forfeit your rights often lands you in jail, charged with, "Obstructing" or, "Failure to ID", usually with, "resisting arrest" or other, "contempt of cop" charges tacked on for good measure. These charges are without merit, but once you are in jail you can have all the justice you can afford to buy because judges will always believe the cop unless you have video proving his perjury. If you have to rely on a Public Defender, they would have to do their job (work) to establish the lack of any crime, so all they do is recommend pleading guilty. Without confessing to "not a crime" it can be anywhere from a weekend in jail to several months for The Right to Remain Silent.

You're safer to not interact with a LEO at all and, repeating myself, people are getting wise to that.
 
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