Actually this is very much like the doctors killing patients willfully and with full knowledge. In the doctors case, they do it for money. They are well protected by all and think that they are gods. There is no way currently to pin them down publically the way it is possible with the police whose actions are innpublic's view and not behind closed doors of an OR.

I can go on about the medical establishment for a very long time as I see it first hand...

 

You're right. In both cases, arrogance and isolation from scrutiny are big factors. And in both cases, eliminating the willful mistakes might cool down the situation.

In the case of cops, the genuine mistakes are too easily mistaken as the willful ones. Fuel on the fire.

 

I'm lucky. I haven't seen a doctor kill anybody except where the patient was already Knockin' on Heaven's Door.
There was no chance the patient was ever going to stand up, and not much chance that they would ever become conscious, even momentarily.
I hope I have that kind of help when I need it.

But I have heard...new docs practicing what they learned in school, without the wisdom to know it will only make the patient worse.
It's kind of like the "ideal" op-amp vs a real op-amp. You need some wisdom before you get it right almost all the time.
Then there were the intentional female sterilizations in Appalachia, without consent, and the lobotomy fad, and the ECT fad.
At least those went by the wayside.

I plead complete ignorance about surgical misconduct.

 

This thread was started to lament that a few people, mostly for political purposes, are attacking the police – literally and figuratively – because they make mistakes.

This seems like a good moment to quote this phrase in Latin:

Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? (Juvenal)
Who will watch the watchers themselves?​

 

Who will watch the watchers themselves?​

We have been using judges, but every time I have been in a court room, I left with a profound appreciation for the guy who coined the phrase, "contempt of court". If you can afford a lawyer, you MIGHT get some justice. One problem is that getting as much justice as you can afford to buy happens AFTER you've been accused, arrested, beaten, shot, and sometimes, your life ruined. You can lose your job, your home, or your life before you can even get in front of a judge.
http://thefreethoughtproject.com/native-american-woman-dies/

Now, the people are using cameras, and it's changing the game.

 

another thought... the police in france are protesting their working conditions. So far, the police in the US has not spoken up about having to police school cafeterias... Of course this is a generalization and so on, but I would tend to give the police a bit more credibility of they spoke out against their own establishment which is clearly the issue here, but it is not what happens. So the hiring practice is working as planned...

 

Did I post this before?

 

Did I post this before?

That's fascinating. Apparently a complete lack of correlation between behavior by the police and behavior by the population around them.

 

I'm pretty sure that you would get that chart if the police killing rate was a random number with a bell curve distribution. It would be far better to plot one variable against the other, and then see if there is a correlation.

But anyway the point seems to be that the correlation is low. I guess that's good.

 

That's fascinating. Apparently a complete lack of correlation between behavior by the police and behavior by the population around them.

Yeah, I guess there could be a lot of reasons for it, but training or recruiting comes to my mind.

 

No surprise. Even when plotted properly, there's no significant correlation:

 

No surprise. Even when plotted properly, there's no significant correlation:

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Are the dots in that chart representing cities? If that's the case, it would be interesting to see how it's geographically distributed.

 

Are the police less likely to shoot black people when they see them more often?

 

Are the dots in that chart representing cities? If that's the case, it would be interesting to see how it's geographically distributed.

Yes, they are. I might be able to do that in Excel. Do you mean the police killings?

Never mind. Just go to the source.

http://mappingpoliceviolence.org

 

No surprise. Even when plotted properly, there's no significant correlation:

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Yes, but I would have expected places with more violent crime would have more people (good and bad) killed by police. It tells me something else is driving it.

 

Yes, but I would have expected places with more violent crime would have more people (good and bad) killed by police. It tells me something else is driving it.

I could have also believed the reverse, that more police killings reduces the violent crime rate. Doesn't look that way. The violent crime rate probably is a much greater function of drug trade dynamics, eg. where there are disputed territories. May not have much to do with whatever the cops are doing.

 

May not have much to do with whatever the cops are doing.

Or perhaps there would be a larger proportion of corrupted cops?

 

The War on Police Horses?
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/storie...ME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2016-10-24-13-36-27

"Police say a boy punched a police horse twice in the face, and another threw a Temple officer to the ground."

 

Even when plotted properly, there's no significant correlation:

Facts like that are unimportant and unhelpful in this discussion. All the other side wants to do is to manufacture a narative for political gains.

Justice be damned.

 

Even when plotted properly, there's no significant correlation:

Facts like that are unimportant and unhelpful in this discussion.

I very much disagree. I think a, "war on cops" is much more likely when there is no evidence that the local reality causes the heroic LEOs to be terrified for their lives by things like a broken down car in the road, somebody being asleep, or an 84 year old granny telling them to get out unless they have a warrant. This complete lack of any relationship between a militarized, "us against the citizens" mentality and the local reality is the primary reason people object to the way police treat them. Those objections are called, "The War on Cops", as per the title of this Thread.