The war on cops, another chapter

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wayneh

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1974 was also a peak murder year in Chicago. I couldn't find an explanation except the observation that it was a recession year. Oil price shocks and all that.

That explanation seems inadequate.
 

JoeJester

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Like most historical events, look about a decade prior for answers. It looks like events after WWI and prohibition played a big influence.

The 70's peak started the it's rise after the nadir in 1956-57.
 

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Two days ago, I went to my bank to get a plastic credit card replaced because it was cracked. I kind of wondered out loud whether my credit cards crack because of the shape of my wallet. The guy on the computer showed me his wallet which doesn't damage his credit cards. I replied, "Holy C%@p! A badge!"

The conversation progressed, and it turns out he's a retired LEO. He swore an oath to defend The Constitution on the first day of his job and retired 30 years later, having never read The Constitution.

I managed to refrain from telling him he's a disgrace to his profession.
He told me, "It's not required reading."

I think that pretty much explains the state of things in Police State Amerika.
Thousands of LEOs swear to defend the principles on the first page that defines the U.S.A. and they wouldn't bother to read it if they had 30 years to do it.

No bleeping wonder you need a lawyer to force a judge to overrule the idiots with badges...if you survive long enough to hire a lawyer.
 

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wayneh

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An awful lot of elected pols take that oath and yet are proud to distance themselves from the Constitution as quickly as possible.

http://www.wnd.com/2010/04/135553/

A Democrat congressman from Illinois says when it comes to the health-care reform plan adopted by Congress and signed into law by President Obama, he just doesn’t concern himself with what the Constitution requires.
The comment came in a heated exchange recorded recently between Rep. Phil Hare, D-Ill., and constituents.

While being pressed on the complications of the “Obamacare” plan, as critics have dubbed it, he was asked, “Where in the Constitution?”

“I don’t worry about the Constitution on this to be honest,” Hare said.
“I care more about the people that are dying every day that don’t have health insurance,”

“You care more about that than the U.S. Constitution, which you swore to uphold,” a constituent challenged.

“I believe it says we have the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness,” Hare responded.

Another constituent pointed out those words come from the Declaration of Independence.

“Doesn’t matter to me,” Hare stated. “Either one.”

The question about the constitutionality of health care was repeated later, specifically challenging where in the document such action is authorized.

“I don’t know. I don’t know,” the congressman said.
And then there's this one.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/mar/13/sheila-jackson-lee-claims-constitution-400-years-o/

“Maybe I should offer a good thanks to the distinguished members of the majority, the Republicans, my chairman and others, for giving us an opportunity to have a deliberative constitutional discussion that reinforces the sanctity of this nation and how well it is that we have lasted some 400 years, operating under a Constitution that clearly defines what is constitutional and what is not.”​
 
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#12

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An awful lot of elected pols take that oath and yet are proud to distance themselves from the Constitution as quickly as possible.
I've long said, "It's not corruption at the highest levels, it's corruption at every level."
From the dog catcher, Dennis Raider, to the Pres of the U.S.
Power corrupts at every level.
 

JoeJester

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In the early 1990s I can across a few pocket sized Constitution of the united States. I gave each of my charges one with this caveat ... You all took an oath to support and defend this, I figured if you haven't read it, you might be surprised what it says.

The one from Detroit public school system felt cheated by the school system.
 

dannyf

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It is a little too late to Carr about the constitution: 99 percent plus of what the federal government does is not enumerated in the constitution.

Both parties are equally guilty of raping the constitution to their own gains.

Had the founding fathers put an article 50 in the constitution, .....
 

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shortbus

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It's called balance. Sure there are bad cops but there are a lot more good cops who bust their asses doing the right thing everyday.
That also works for the people getting harmed by cops or protesting the harm "bad" cops do. "Profiling" works in both directions.
 

nsaspook

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That also works for the people getting harmed by cops or protesting the harm "bad" cops do. "Profiling" works in both directions.
Yes it does and every time it's scientifically examined instead of being an anti-cop message point we see results that the typical police actions against blacks (or the general public) is in direct portion to crime, not to race or 'bad' cops. The reason these 'bad cop' stories are 'news' is because they are rare when compared to the millions of police actions without some post on an anti-cop website.
 

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wayneh

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Cops are human and make mistakes. Sometimes citizens die, sometimes the cop dies. Is there a reasonable solution to reduce the rate of mistakes?

I speculated earlier in this thread that spending money to select more and better cops, and to train them more, might be a solution if we were willing to spend the money. (In general, I don't think people are willing to spend more.)

But doctors, for instance, are highly trained and monitored, and yet they probably kill more people than cops do. And they don't have the "it was them or me" defense.

This thread was started to lament that a few people, mostly for political purposes, are attacking the police – literally and figuratively – because they make mistakes. To me this seems like railing at the sky because it rains. It's blaming your employees – the ones you hired and trained – when your company has problems.

Whatever the solution is, it's not whatever Chicago is doing.
 

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This thread was started to lament that a few people, mostly for political purposes, are attacking the police – literally and figuratively – because they make mistakes.
Unfortunately, you opened up a can of worms which I don't think you expected.
The, "war on cops" is not about, "they make mistakes". It's about the self inflicted incompetence of not reading the Constitution which they swear to defend. It's about the arrogance of kicking a handcuffed suspect in the face or Macing a room full of 4 year old people. It's about almost never being held accountable for killing unarmed citizens, dogs, and children. It's about the hypocrisy of hiding their videos of their own supposedly heroic behavior while they, "use necessary force" on a person in a diabetic coma.

Your first stupid move might be a mistake, but every time you repeat it, that's a choice, and that's what the War on Cops is about.
 
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