I'm betting most of us old guys posting here grew up in homes with gas cook stoves. How many suffer from
asthma? Either now or when growing up.

 

 

What? As a former holder of a TS SCI security clearance (I've actually been to counterintelligence training) anyone evolved in espionage/insurrection needs to be locked up for a very long time, no exceptions for governmental office or position.

I thought that was you sitting across the room from me for that one class.

Ron

 

I'm betting most of us old guys posting here grew up in homes with gas cook stoves. How many suffer from
asthma? Either now or when growing up.

Yes, and how many of those suffering from asthma would have asthma regardless? You have to wonder about stuff like this. I had gas stoves my entire life with the exception of 1972 to 1975 when I had an apartment with an electric stove. I'll be 73 next month and despite my old age ailments one thing I don't have is asthma. Now where the hell did I put that rescue inhaler down? Had it when I started this post.

Ron

 

We have had gas, then electric and now an induction cook top. The induction cook top is by far the best. I would not have or recommend any other.
If over there they do phase out gas, I would imagine it will be a ban on new installs and no one will be coming to take your stoves away. That is just propaganda drummed up to try to score political points. Here, in Oz, we watch with interest and some amazement, the political circus in the US of A (my wife is from there) and this seems to me to be just the next act.
Getting of fossil fuels is something we would all do well to peruse.

 

I'm betting most of us old guys posting here grew up in homes with gas cook stoves. How many suffer from
asthma? Either now or when growing up.

Asthma is from what I read mainly an allergic response. I grew up on as farm where we cooked with wood fires, gas, lived in dirt and even used DDT to kill those nasty Texas bugs. I'm old enough to collect full social security but i'm still working full time because I love it. Have zero known allergies and never had a touch of asthma. Maybe because I spent so little time indoors while eating like horse then working like a mule while breathing good country air when young, it gave me an great immune system.

 

We have had gas, then electric and now an induction cook top. The induction cook top is by far the best. I would not have or recommend any other.
If over there they do phase out gas, I would imagine it will be a ban on new installs and no one will be coming to take your stoves away. That is just propaganda drummed up to try to score political points. Here, in Oz, we watch with interest and some amazement, the political circus in the US of A (my wife is from there) and this seems to me to be just the next act.
Getting of fossil fuels is something we would all do well to peruse.

I agree, the propaganda is on all sides. Greatly reducing our reliance on fossil fuels is critical to reducing and maybe reversing the effects of human climate change but it's not helped by virtue signaling stunts like this.

 

I thought that was you sitting across the room from me for that one class.

Ron

Why didn't you wake me up before the instructor did?

It's serious business that has cost lives where there is a failure.
https://apnews.com/article/171d3c27e4cdafc20b67ebc0ea77feb5
I once did the same job as this clown. He needed the death penalty for his crimes.

 

I'm betting most of us old guys posting here grew up in homes with gas cook stoves. How many suffer from
asthma? Either now or when growing up.

Grew up in house with gas stove, have asthma from childhood until present.

 

I remember the Walker trial. I was involved with a case in Naples after I returned to the states. They flew me back for a courts martial as a witness. Wasn't as much a spy thing more a stupid young sailor trying to impress his girlfriend. Bad consequences.

Ron

 

Grew up in house with gas stove, have asthma from childhood until present.

So the question is what caused your asthma? Any siblings that did also have asthma? Any who didn't? Either way my heart goes out to you. I grew up like you in a house with a gas stove but no asthma.

Ron

 

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23625129/
Urban vs. rural factors that affect adult asthma

Environmental risk factors to which urban adults were more frequently exposed than rural adults were dust mites,high levels of vehicle emissions, and a westernized lifestyle.Exposure to indoor biological contaminants in the urban environment is common.The main risk factors for developing asthma in urban areas are atopy and allergy to house dust mites, followed by allergens from animal dander. House dust mite exposure may potentially explain differences in diagnosis of asthma prevalence and morbidity among adults in urban vs. rural areas. In addition, the prevalence of asthma morbidity increases with urbanization. High levels of vehicle emissions,Western lifestyles and degree of urbanization itself, may affect outdoor and thereby indoor air quality. In urban areas, biomass fuels have been widely replaced by cleaner energy sources at home, such as gas and electricity, but in most developing countries, coal is still a major source of fuel for cooking and heating, particularly in winter. Moreover, exposure to ETS is common at home or at work in urban areas.There is evidence that asthma prevalence and morbidity is less common in rural than in urban areas. The possible reasons are that rural residents are exposed early in life to stables and to farm milk production, and such exposures are protective against developing asthma morbidity. Even so, asthma morbidity is disproportionately high among poor inner-city residents and in rural populations. A higher proportion of adult residents of nonmetropolitan areas were characterized as follows:aged 55 years or older, no previous college admission, low household income, no health insurance coverage, and could not see a doctor due to healthcare service availability, etc. In rural areas, biomass fuels meet more than 70% of the rural energy needs. Progress in adopting modern energy sources in rural areas has been slow. The most direct health impact comes from household energy use among the poor, who depend almost entirely on burning biomass fuels in simple cooking devices that are placed in inadequately ventilated spaces. Prospective studies are needed to assess the long-term effects of biomass smoke on lung health among adults in rural areas.Geographic differences in asthma susceptibility exist around the world. The reason for the differences in asthma prevalence in rural and urban areas may be due to the fact that populations have different lifestyles and cultures, as well as different environmental exposures and different genetic backgrounds. Identifying geographic disparities in asthma hospitalizations is critical to implementing prevention strategies,reducing morbidity, and improving healthcare financing for clinical asthma treatment. Although evidence shows that differences in the prevalence of asthma do exist between urban and rural dwellers in many parts of the world, including in developed countries, data are inadequate to evaluate the extent to which different pollutant exposures contribute to asthma morbidity and severity of asthma between urban and rural areas.

It's a complex issue and IMO most scientific studies agree that modern gas stove exposure is at most a small factor with things like proper ventilation being much more important.

https://thorax.bmj.com/content/74/11/1020

It has been hypothesised that the urbanisation process could be in part responsible for the temporal and geographical variations of asthma prevalence in both HICs and LMICs.5–7 This hypothesis has received support mainly by three observations. First, studies on wheezing or asthma in different regions of the world have regularly shown a lower asthma prevalence in rural settlements compared with cities.5 8 9 Second, the low asthma prevalence in rural areas has been explained by possible protection provided by traditional rural exposures such as farming.6 7 However, recent studies have shown that allergic disorders could be increasing in rural areas, reducing the urban–rural gap in asthma prevalence.10–12 Third, exposures relating to environmental and lifestyle changes that originate from the urbanisation process have been identified as risk factors for asthma including changes in diet, sedentarism, reductions in childhood infections, smaller families, use of antibiotics, environmental pollution and migration.6 13

 

So the question is what caused your asthma? Any siblings that did also have asthma? Any who didn't? Either way my heart goes out to you. I grew up like you in a house with a gas stove but no asthma.

Ron

I was merely replying to @shortbus’ question. I have no idea what caused my asthma. Thanks for the sympathy, but it is well controlled now, haven’t had a serious attack in years, only minor wheezing maybe once a year. The sister closest to my age also had problems with it. My other three siblings did not.

 

Even with modern "Metal Gauze" type burners there can be a smidgen of yellow. Our old gas stove/oven circa 50's always had yellow in the flame but then we weren't trying to heat the house with it in an emergency. New stoves require electricity to power their flame sensor above the pilot light and won't start if the electricity is off.

 

I would imagine it will be a ban on new installs and no one will be coming to take your stoves away.

Don’t you get it! First they come for your gas stove, next it will be your guns! They already took all my beloved incandescent bulbs.

I’m really worried. When they come to my house and find none of the above, what will they take instead?

 

Don’t you get it! First they come for your gas stove, next it will be your guns! They already took all my beloved incandescent bulbs.

I’m really worried. When they come to my house and find none of the above, what will they take instead?

They will take your money.
They are almost complete in abolishing cash.

 

New stoves require electricity to power their flame sensor above the pilot light and won't start if the electricity is off.

I don't know about what kind of sotve you have but most all gas stoves made in the last10 or so years don't have a pilot light anymore. They use an electric spark to start both the burners and the oven.

 

My wondering is who was behind the gas stove study? My thinking is that some or most of the blame on asthma and other new allergies that seem to be new that didn't exist in us older people comes from the use of high fructose corn syrup. It's in everything today, from your soft drink to your bread and other things you wouldn't think even needed sugar, almost any processed food has it. And how many people cook from scratch anymore, so you are getting a lot of it.

High fructose corn syrup wasn't even used or developed until the very late 1960's and 1970's. Before that there was corn syrup(Karo) but the two aren't the same thing. From what I've seen the FDA says it's ok, but the studies of the dangers were funded and done by the people that make it. Any one remember how tobacco companies said that was safe for all those years?

 

My wondering is who was behind the gas stove study? My thinking is that some or most of the blame on asthma and other new allergies that seem to be new that didn't exist in us older people comes from the use of high fructose corn syrup. It's in everything today, from your soft drink to your bread and other things you wouldn't think even needed sugar, almost any processed food has it. And how many people cook from scratch anymore, so you are getting a lot of it.

High fructose corn syrup wasn't even used or developed until the very late 1960's and 1970's. Before that there was corn syrup(Karo) but the two aren't the same thing. From what I've seen the FDA says it's ok, but the studies of the dangers were funded and done by the people that make it. Any one remember how tobacco companies said that was safe for all those years?

I'm with you on that. I try to stay away from High fructose products and use cane sugar for sweeteners, As kids in Texas most soft drinks were cane sugar based and we used and cooked with molasses because sugar cane was grown there. I stopped drinking Bourbon and switched to rye based drinks to reduce sugars. My wife cooks a lot from scratch meals using fresh/organic ingredients. There is no real substituent for a gas fired wok in the house or a food truck. You can elevate the wok and use different parts of the flame, try doing that with an induction cook-top.

 

My wondering is who was behind the gas stove study? My thinking is that some or most of the blame on asthma and other new allergies that seem to be new that didn't exist in us older people comes from the use of high fructose corn syrup. It's in everything today, from your soft drink to your bread and other things you wouldn't think even needed sugar, almost any processed food has it. And how many people cook from scratch anymore, so you are getting a lot of it.

High fructose corn syrup wasn't even used or developed until the very late 1960's and 1970's. Before that there was corn syrup(Karo) but the two aren't the same thing. From what I've seen the FDA says it's ok, but the studies of the dangers were funded and done by the people that make it. Any one remember how tobacco companies said that was safe for all those years?

Gas stoves are under the gun for the same reason you won't be able to buy a gasoline powered car in California or The Netherlands in a few years: All of our energy will be "renewable" which means mainly solar electricity and wind. And if you believe that...