https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/09/business/gas-stove-ban-federal-agency/index.html
A US federal agency is considering a ban on gas stoves

New YorkCNN —
A federal agency is considering a ban on gas stoves, a source of indoor pollution linked to childhood asthma.

Richard Trumka Jr., a US Consumer Product Safety commissioner, set off a firestorm this week by saying in an interview with Bloomberg that gas stoves posed a “hidden hazard” and suggested the agency could ban them.

Trumka confirmed to CNN that “everything’s on the table” when it comes to gas stoves, but stressed that any ban would apply only to new gas stoves, not existing ones.

A December 2022 study in the International Journal of Environmental Research and Public Health found that indoor gas stove usage is associated with an increased risk of current asthma among children. The study found that almost 13% of current childhood asthma in the US is attributable to gas stove use.

https://www.mdpi.com/1660-4601/20/1/75
https://www.aga.org/news/news-releases/statement-aga-concerned-by-methodology-of-new-study/

First they came for the toilets, shower heads, then our light bulbs and now ...

 

Giving 13% of the kids asthma because of gas stoves is no big deal? Four kids killed by Lawn Darts was enough to ban them in the US and Canada.

Perhaps studying how to improve combustion in gas stoves to prevent that is a worthwhile idea. Protecting its citizens from harm is one of the roles of government.

 

Giving 13% of the kids asthma because of gas stoves is no big deal? Four kids killed by Lawn Darts was enough to ban them in the US and Canada.

Perhaps studying how to improve combustion in gas stoves to prevent that is a worthwhile idea. Protecting its citizens from harm is one of the roles of government.

Sure, some likely bogus study (It is a cherry-picked meta-analysis of other studies) generated a likely bogus number.
https://globalnews.ca/news/9400697/bc-doctor-questions-research-linking-gas-stoves-asthma/

A Canadian pediatrician, however, is raising questions about the study’s assertion of causation between the stoves and asthma.

“This specific study that was just recently published by investigators from the U.S. and Australia is suggesting a calculation of what could be causing asthma in children,” said Dr. Ran Goldman, a pediatrics professor at the University of British Columbia.

“This is not a true representation of what is happening and there is a huge uncertainty around how many children with asthma are truly because of those emissions. Asthma is a multifactorial disease. It’s a disease we’re still studying because it’s so complex.”

Actual research on actual children show little or no effect.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...t-on-kids-lung-function-idUSTRE6063WG20100107

In the new study, published in the European Respiratory Journal, researchers analyzed data on 24,000 children ages 6 to 12 from Canada, the U.S. and seven European countries. All had undergone standard lung function tests, and their parents had answered questions on various exposures, including their use of gas stoves.

Overall, the study found only small average differences in lung function between the 41 percent of children from homes with gas stoves and the 58 percent from homes with electric stoves.

On two measures of lung function -- FEV1 and FVC, which gauge the volume of air a person can forcibly exhale -- children in gas-cooking homes had a less than 1 percent reduction compared with their peers.

“Frankly, the effects were not very strong,” lead researcher Dr. Hanns Moshammer, of the Medical University of Vienna in Austria, told Reuters Health in an email.

"Protecting its citizens from harm is one of the roles of government"
Then we should be in the dark, cold and eating a raw carrot.

 

Geez oh grief.

 

Geez oh grief.

Exactly.

 

Exactly.

Yup, I don't know how you find the time to search down an article where some obscure "Canadian doctor grunts an objection to the study" and bam, that Canadian doctor suddenly becomes the most believable "expert" on the topic. I need to to help me find expert witnesses. What made the Canadian doctor so believable to you? The red maple leave embroidered in his lab coat? His authoritative, hoarse voice from sleeping in a cabin heated by a wood stove? Or just the fact that he's an underdog, a single doctor speaking up against researcher in a well funded group? Please advise.

 

Proportionality - it's important.

 

Let them eat food cooked on induction! Superior to gas and far superior to standard electric IMHO

Of course I had to throw out my aluminum corn popper, but I got an induction capable one, so all is well when there is a thread I just want to sit back and watch.

 

In the news last night, White House 'no ban no gas stoves' and the agency that is getting the blame on FaceBook said they had never considered this. ---fake news---

On the other side, think about house building codes. Open flame, no vent, in a tightly sealed house. This is like ending a car's exhaust in the cab.

 

The white house has denied any plans to take your gas stoves but didn't comment on the designs of the Russians.

 

"Protecting its citizens from harm is one of the roles of government"
Then we should be in the dark, cold and eating a raw carrot.

Nice sarcasm.
How about protection against espionage?

 

In the news last night, White House 'no ban no gas stoves' and the agency that is getting the blame on FaceBook said they had never considered this. ---fake news---

On the other side, think about house building codes. Open flame, no vent, in a tightly sealed house. This is like ending a car's exhaust in the cab.

Government agency words have meaning.
"Products that can't be made safe can be banned"
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/gas-st...mer-product-safety-commission-richard-trumka/

A federal regulator has walked back comments about banning gas stoves after backlash to the idea of a ban reached a fever pitch this week.

Consumer Product Safety Commissioner Richard Trumka, Jr., told Bloomberg in an interview this week that a ban was "on the table" for gas stoves, which research has linked to health problems including asthma.

"Products that can't be made safe can be banned," Trumka told the media outlet. Trumka also highlighted the health dangers of gas stoves in an appearance last month before the Public Interest Research Group.

"We need to be talking about regulating gas stoves, whether it's drastically reducing emissions or banning gas stoves entirely," Trumka told PIRG, adding that a ban "is a powerful tool in our toolbox and it's a real possibility here, particularly because there seem to be readily available alternatives already in the market."

It's not fake news, it's mainly fake science driving a agenda.

https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2023-01-13/will-gas-range-make-you-sick-science
Will your gas range make you sick? Here’s what the science says

But the scientific research behind the health effects of natural gas stoves is complicated and inconclusive. Although some studies have found a significant association between gas stoves and prevalence of asthma or asthma symptoms in children, no direct causal relationship between gas stove use and bad health has been identified.

Given the difficulties in conducting such research, especially the swarm of variables that tend to confound the results, a clear answer is hard to come by. And given the limitations of available data, even the associations and correlations raise questions.

“We don’t have much data on this,” Oster said. For a comprehensive asthma study, she said, “ideally the kind of study you’d like to run would compare households in the U.S. that you know use gas stoves and those that don’t, and link that to health information, such as whether kids have asthma or not. We don’t have those numbers.”

Yes, they clarified AFTER TAKING JUSTLY DESERVED HEAT for even talking about the possibility.

On a much more important and real threat.
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/end-korean-bbq-l-gas-222753541.html
The end of Korean BBQ in L.A.? What the gas stove ban means for your fave restaurants

Leo and Lydia Lee, owners of RiceBox, a Cantonese BBQ restaurant in downtown Los Angeles, use gas to cook the entirety of their menu, with the exception of rice. Gas powers the stoves used to cook dishes in a wok and the custom barbecue oven used to prepare the restaurant’s signature char siu Duroc pork, roasted low and slow with a sweet honey glaze.

“The wok itself is really essential to Asian cuisine,” Leo said. “By taking gas away, you’re telling us we cannot use woks anymore, essentially taking away our identity and heritage. It forces us to adapt to American culture.”

If there’s no gas, Lee said he “won’t even consider” opening a second location of RiceBox in Los Angeles.

 

Nice sarcasm.
How about protection against espionage?

Or insurrection for that matter.

 

Nice sarcasm.
How about protection against espionage?

What? As a former holder of a TS SCI SIOP-ESI security clearance (I've actually been to counterintelligence training) anyone evolved in espionage/insurrection needs to be locked up for a very long time, no exceptions for governmental office or position.

 

What? As a former holder of a TS SCI security clearance (I've actually been to counterintelligence training) anyone evolved in espionage/insurrection needs to be locked up for a very long time, no exceptions for governmental office or position.

Then we agree on at least one thing.

 

Like everything else in the Mainstream-Media,
it's all just part of the carefully orchestrated "Movie" designed to get people
to realize that its ALL FAKE.

It's time to wake-up and realize that you've been lied to for your entire life.

There are very few, if any, "Authoritative-Sources"
that are NOT BEING PAID to spew complete BS, day after day after day after day after day ...............
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.
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I'm somewhat surprised that residential building codes do not require exterior vented hoods for gas ranges/ovens as they do for air heaters, water heaters and dryers. Along with double pane windows and other improvements air tightness has been a key element to residential energy conservation which should require air supply and venting for gas appliances. We all too often hear of cases of CO poisoning from people using fueled devices in their homes during electrical outages and extreme cold weather. Most, if not all of which, could have been avoided by a required battery powered smoke detector/CO monitor!

 

I'm somewhat surprised that residential building codes do not require exterior vented hoods for gas ranges/ovens as they do for air heaters, water heaters and dryers. Along with double pane windows and other improvements air tightness has been a key element to residential energy conservation which should require air supply and venting for gas appliances. We all too often hear of cases of CO poisoning from people using fueled devices in their homes during electrical outages and extreme cold weather. Most, if not all of which, could have been avoided by a required battery powered smoke detector/CO monitor!

There have been improvements but the average modern house is still a sieve of air leaks (by design) as they have HRVs (Heat Recovery Ventilators)/Energy Recovery Ventilation (ERV) systems to exchange stale air with fresh to reduce rot, mold, condensation levels and respiratory illnesses in very tight houses.


A program to improve ventilation (as is happening as a COVID preventive measure) on all building would be something worth considering instead of an idiotic gas stove ban.

 

More fuel on the fire.
https://www.tastingtable.com/897813/report-shows-electric-stoves-are-more-dangerous-than-gas/

According to a 2020 report by the NFPA, households with electric stoves reported fires at a rate 2.6 times higher than those with gas stoves. Equally staggering, the death rate of electric-run households was 3.4 times higher than those with gas appliances — and the injury rate was nearly five times greater.

https://www.nfpa.org//-/media/Files...rts/US-Fire-Problem/Fire-causes/oscooking.pdf

Households that use electric ranges have a higher risk of cooking fires and associated losses than those using gas ranges. Although 60 percent of households cook with electricity,15 four out of five (80 percent) ranges or cooktops involved in reported cooking fires were powered by electricity. Population-based risks are shown below, • The rate of reported fires per million households was 2.6 times higher with electric ranges. • The civilian fire death rate per million households was 3.4 times higher with electric ranges. • The civilian fire injury rate per million households was 4.8 times higher with electric ranges than in households using gas ranges. • The average fire dollar loss per household was 3.8 times higher in households with electric ranges. See Figure 10.

Cooking with fire is always my first choice.

 

As long as your stove burners have a blue colored flame the by products are - "Byproducts of natural gas include carbon dioxide and water vapor. Complete combustion of gas produces a harmless mixture of these two byproducts."

When you need to worry is if there isn't enough air for the flame, a yellow color to the flame - However, when a fuel is burned without proper air for complete combustion, a toxic gas called carbon monoxide may be produced. Incomplete combustion could happen for a number of reasons"

Quotes come from - https://mosafegas.com/byproducts-of-natural-gas/