I remember the Walker trial. I was involved with a case in Naples after I returned to the states. They flew me back for a courts martial as a witness. Wasn't as much a spy thing more a stupid young sailor trying to impress his girlfriend. Bad consequences.

Ron

A FRONTLINE video for those that don't know the story. You swear an oath to protect those secrets with your life. He broke the code.
https://kaltura.uga.edu/media/t/1_vzj0gqns

OK, back to gas stoves.

 

I was merely replying to @shortbus’ question. I have no idea what caused my asthma. Thanks for the sympathy, but it is well controlled now, haven’t had a serious attack in years, only minor wheezing maybe once a year. The sister closest to my age also had problems with it. My other three siblings did not.

I was just curious. My heart goes out to friends and family who suffer asthma. Why it affects some and not others. I was born and grew up NYC which was an orange cloud of pollution during the 60s. Friends have asthma but it hasn't bothered me yet fortunately. Glad yours is under control now.

Ron

 

https://www.eenews.net/articles/washington-state-hits-the-brakes-on-landmark-gas-ban/

Washington state building code officials voted Wednesday to delay the first statewide mandate for electric heat pumps in new buildings, dealing a blow to a landmark restriction on natural gas.

The decision comes after a federal court overturned the nation’s first gas ban for new buildings, which was passed in 2019 in Berkeley, Calif. That court — the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals — also handles appeals from Washington.

 

As long as your stove burners have a blue colored flame the by products are - "Byproducts of natural gas include carbon dioxide and water vapor. Complete combustion of gas produces a harmless mixture of these two byproducts."

Definitely not true. Well ok, misleading. See the word "include"? That's a brilliant way to omit anything that isn't CO2 and water. I put a gas heater in my sunroom. It had built-in CO2 and oxygen sensors but never shut off in the few years I had it. It did a great job. But, the room has vinyl windows (which sounded awful to me but are actually amazing) as well as tempered glass near floor level to protect against kids falling out. Over the course of a single winter season of using the heater, a cloudy white film forms on the vinyl. It's easily removed by a quick wash but between the annoying cloudiness and the chore to wash the windows - the room is nothing but windows - it was just too much. I had to remove the gas heater and go electric. For some reason the ash (or whatever it is) does not stick to the glass windows.

Burning natural gas without venting puts some kind of crap in the air. I can prove it. A health problem? No idea.

 

Burning natural gas without venting

I'd be very surprised if any building code allowed that? I can understand residential gas stoves/ovens not being vented but not a central heating unit.

 

I once bought a house that had a suite added above the garage. It was a gas heater and and it took a lot of work to establish that it met code. There, (San Jose California) the part of the code is very strict and venting was required. Asphyxiation is not the worst way to die but a good way to die earlier than necessary.

 

I'd be very surprised if any building code allowed that? I can understand residential gas stoves/ovens not being vented but not a central heating unit.

It’s one of these. You can find dozens of similar heaters on the market.

 

https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/09/business/gas-stove-ban-federal-agency/index.html
A US federal agency is considering a ban on gas stoves



https://www.mdpi.com/1660-4601/20/1/75
https://www.aga.org/news/news-releases/statement-aga-concerned-by-methodology-of-new-study/

First they came for the toilets, shower heads, then our light bulbs and now ...

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Perhaps solutions more intelligent than this funny photo are needed like an automatic exhaust fan with heat sensor and a detector that works on the so-called noxious byproduct of burning natural gas.

 

It’s one of these.

Aren't those infrared heaters flame less? The overhead ones I have in my shop are. A short flame on start up then they work by a catalytic process.

 

Aren't those infrared heaters flame less? The overhead ones I have in my shop are. A short flame on start up then they work by a catalytic process.

I have two of those heaters. And yeah, after you light them up, the flame soon grows extremely short and becomes contained within the porous ceramic tiles.

 

Much improved design over the old single room gas heater from the early 1900s. Used to see a lot of them in older homes. But those old homes had no insulation and air leaks like sieves. They did have ceramic elements that were heated by the flame and gave some radiant heating but nothing like the ones today.

 

Much improved design over the old single room gas heater from the early 1900s. Used to see a lot of them in older homes. But those old homes had no insulation and air leaks like sieves. They did have ceramic elements that were heated by the flame and gave some radiant heating but nothing like the ones today.

That's what we used in the old farm house. Those ceramic elements had a nice orange glow that would keep you warm in the front but still freezing on the back.

 

My grandparents heat with one of the old ones, a Montgomery- ward, Warm Morning heater. But they were nothing at al like the catalyst ones today. The old ones actually had flames at the bottom of the ceramic parts, small flames, but still burning gas flame. And were vented into a chimney.

 

In college we had a kerosene heater. At night my wife and I slept with an electric blanket but a friend was using the couch one night. So... We left the kerosene heater on with a full tank of fuel. About 1AM my wife woke me saying she smelled something funny. Turned the light on and the room was filled with these long pieces of carbon strings hanging in the air. It was pretty dense. The large round wick in the heater had burned down until the wick was just touching the fuel in the tank and had started smoking. Woke our friend on the couch where the heater was and his face was completely black. Opened all the windows and doors to air the place out and drove 10 miles to the only all-night grocery for a six pack to give it time to clear out and came back and started cleaning up. It took over a week to get all the mess up. Each of those carbon strings was a greasy mix of fuel and carbon soot all over everything and just smeared into a black mess when you touched it. Had to scrub everything down with soapy water to cut the grease. Wonder no one died.

 

New 1,100MW reactor coming online just up the road a bit from us. No. 4 reactor in Plant Vogtle.
Southern's first new Vogtle reactor achieves 100% power (msn.com)

Edit: Might also mention that with #4 coming online it is now the largest capacity Nuclear Power Plant in the world with a net capacity of ~4,500MW.

 

OMG! How did I miss this thread??!

 

OMG! How did I miss this thread??!

We can only speculate!