Here's a link to Muller's "paper" (not in a peer-reviewed journal), and comments by one follower.

Muller claimed to perform experiments, makes a controversial claim based on these, and then offers zero experimental data or evidence. Yawn.

This thread may be a back-door entry attempt at a free energy discussion, see Faraday's paradox.

 

and I quote:

"A repetitive pattern quickly became noticeable to Mark; people conform to trends in dress, beliefs, and mannerisms. They would even go so far as to wear nothing at all if that was the new “in” trend. They follow mannerisms in speech, relationships, eating habits, and in all other kinds of daily activities. He decided originality of self is unheard of. If one person sticks out among the others, they will soon be shunned until they change themselves to become the norms of society. We are shaped and molded by social trends, therefore we have no thought."

.... be creative. From your mentor

I was thinking more along the lines..
"Never argue with a fool, onlookers may not be able to tell the difference." -Twain

Similar,
"Never argue with an idiot. They will bring you down to their level and beat you with their experience". -George Carlin

Please read post #13 again (13)

 

"Never argue with a fool, onlookers may not be able to tell the difference." -Twain

Good quote... here's another one for the occasion (it's not a competition, by the way):
Every man is a damn fool for at least five minutes every day; wisdom consists in not exceeding the limit.
Elbert Hubbard

 

nothing up my sleeves; Presto!

 

Here's a link to Muller's "paper" (not in a peer-reviewed journal), and comments by one follower.

Muller claimed to perform experiments, makes a controversial claim based on these, and then offers zero experimental data or evidence. Yawn.

This thread may be a back-door entry attempt at a free energy discussion, see Faraday's paradox.

He must be extremely successful. I just did a google maps search (street view) of his address listed at the bottom of the link you posted (as his "paper").
Looks like a private home with a "Governor's driveway". Impressive. Maybe our OP is Mr. Mueller himself.
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I would have posted the address here but I don't want anyone doing the same to me.

 

Correct, the first link does not work, however, the second does. In any event, here is the original paper, as I found it on the net. The second link contains other thesis written by Professor, Francisco J Muller.

 

I have noticed a lot of members are very negative about their comments, rather than offering their own thoughts, on the subject, they "attack" the Thread Starter or even the house the author of the document may have resided.

If you disagree with the paper presented, say so. If you think it has merit, again, say so.

The same ridicule was made of Albert Einstein when he first published his papers.

If you have doubts on the experiment, as described in the pdf file above, try the experiment, yourself.

This paper apart from the physics aspect of it, it goes directly into the heart of the Inductance Theory, itself, which is electronics.

 

He must be extremely successful. I just did a google maps search (street view) of his address listed at the bottom of the link you posted (as his "paper").
Looks like a private home with a "Governor's driveway". Impressive. Maybe our OP is Mr. Mueller himself.
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I would have posted the address here but I don't want anyone doing the same to me.

Yes, I have read the correspondence. But how does it connect to the experiment. The author is way of topic.

It would be nice, if the Author could draw some diagrams with respect to his last paragraph:


"All radiation is emitted in a straight line due to force, but still it maintains the original free circular motion of its source. Accordingly, a magnetic field moves in a curved path of travel. But just the same as with a light beam on a train, the curve in a magnetic field is affected by the motion of its source. Consequently, a voltage is induced when a conductor and a magnet move together, even though there is no relative motion between the two
components. And so Müller’s experiment not only disproves SRT, it also shows evidence that a new physics based on force free circular motion is true."

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modern_searches_for_Lorentz_violation

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modern_searches_for_Lorentz_violation

Can anyone explained it in ordinary english ???

 

From the link above:
"No Lorentz violations could be measured thus far, and exceptions in which positive results were reported have been refuted or lack further confirmations."
Seems clear to me.

 

Seems clear to me.

Yeap... just plain english...

 

Long time ago, it was thought and is currently taught at institutions all over the planet, that an emf could be created across a conductor if there is relative movement between conductor and magnetic field, only.

So, these teachings put almost everyone in a logic loop of relative movement between conductor and magnetic field = emf across conductor. The implication of these teachings are, if no relative movement then no emf. And everyone went on their happy ways and designed new equipment and taught this pragmatism. To the extent that some members of this forum decided to write textbooks on the subject to "indoctrinate" everyone on this new science.

But one day, this dude comes along and decides to experiment in a different way, and .....walla, emf across a conductor WITHOUT relative movement between conductor and magnetic field.

How's your maths ?

It has been known since Maxwell that there are two mechanism of EMF.
Either or both mechanisms can occur in any given situation.

Relative motion between magnetic field and conductor indeed supplies one of these and is known by the suprising name of motional EMF.
This is characterised by the equation

\(\oint {E.dl = \oint {\left( {v \otimes B} \right)} } .dl\)

And a second mechanism is called transformer EMF, which occurs even if there is no relative motion (v=0) and is characterised by the equation


\(curlE = - \frac{{\partial B}}{{\partial t}}\)

 

there is a strange phenomenom with magnets that seems to belong here.
the original generator - a copper disc rotating in a magnetic field - can generate voltage even when the magnet is rotating along with the copper disc. there is no motion between the magnet and the copper, but there IS motion between the copper and the magnetic field. Proving that the "field" itself is not attached rigidly to magnet structure, but is fixed in orientation around an axis perpendicular to the pole faces. rotation of the physical magnet around this axis does not cause any rotation of the field itself.

 

Almost all attempts at "free energy" or unexplained medical cures involve the mystery of permanent magnets. Easy to fool the average Joe and difficult for the Average Joe to disprove with a quick analysis or experiment. This has been going on for nearly 200 years. Magnetic bracelets are still available at brand name department stores and sporting goods stores.

I'm done.

 

Almost all attempts at "free energy" or unexplained medical cures involve the mystery of permanent magnets.

In fact, the word "mesmerized" originates from a german gentleman going by the name of Mr Mesmer that entertained the european courts with his magnetism tricks, originating an extremely wide branch of pseudo-science that persists to this day.
It's amazing how ignorance not only perdures... but also keeps on multiplying ...

 

The Relativity of Wrong

http://chem.tufts.edu/answersinscience/relativityofwrong.htm

 

The Relativity of Wrong

http://chem.tufts.edu/answersinscience/relativityofwrong.htm

Thanks for that. I will use it when people think my estimates are wrong. More importantly, I will use it when I need to re-animate someone paralyzed with fear of making an estimate. Wrong isn't bad, it is just a starting point.

 

Everyone, please, pay attention to what this paper, see pdf file above, is all about. Forget all about Mr Mesmer, chem.tufts.edu, Lorentz, etc. Wipe your mind clear of all prejudice thoughts, and CONCENTRATE on the EXPERIMENTAL RESULTS. Having done so, now contrast with those of Albert Einstein's predictions or thoughts.

This is what this paper is all about. Do you agree or dis-agree. That is the question. No matter which way you lean, enlighten the rest of us with your wonderful thoughts.

 

Unfortunately your post#12 was a century and a half behind the times at best and factually incorrect at worst, as I pointed out in my post#33.
You have provided nothing to back it up or attempted to discuss it.

Here is a model thread.
A fine example of good communication and friendly cooperation on all sides quickly achieving a satisfactory outcome.

http://forum.allaboutcircuits.com/t...load-voltage-app-x-factor.104394/#post-791924