# smart meter hysteria

#### praondevou

Joined Jul 9, 2011
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What do you think about the RF emitting smart meters?

I cannot believe they are harmful if they cause a power density of 10uW/cm2 at 1ft distance...

So many people claiming they got ill after this thing was installed.

#### GopherT

Joined Nov 23, 2012
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Ok, no service fee, just increased overall rates...

From BGE.com website

Who’s paying for smart meters?
BGE estimates the cost of the smart meter program for its service area to be $482 million, of which the Department of Energy has provided a$200 million grant to offset the total cost of the program. By implementing smart meters and related smart grid technology, BGE is investing in the electric distribution system which is for the benefit of our customers. While BGE will seek to recover additional program costs through rate changes that customers will see on their bills, we believe that customers can expect their savings will be significantly greater than any potential costs. Customer savings will come from reduced energy and operating costs as well as the new programs BGE will introduce for customers to help them manage energy use and bills.
How much will my smart meter cost me?
You will not have to pay for a smart meter at the time the meter is installed. Any customer charges must be reviewed and approved by the PSC before they can go into effect. We believe that customers can expect their savings will be significantly greater than any potential costs. Customer savings will come from reduced energy and operating costs as well as the new programs BGE will introduce for customers to help them manage energy use and bills.​

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#### Kermit2

Joined Feb 5, 2010
4,162
Oh!

So those bills of mine are SAVINGS. Thanks. I was confused and took the depletion of my bank account to be representitive of increased electric billing. But since they "believe that customers can expect their savings will be significantly greater than any potential costs." I will change my opinion to be inline with the stated objective of big business [/sarc off]

#### Wendy

Joined Mar 24, 2008
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During the late 70's early 80's Rockwell had to settle with the union because no one on the factory floor was having kids due to the 2.4Gig radiation. Basically this involved moving those men who did want kids to other departments and off the factory floor where the telephone racks were being produced. These were high power transmitter/receivers used for land links.

The effect is definite, but generally temporary.

#### praondevou

Joined Jul 9, 2011
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Ah, it's always great to talk to you guys. I like the idea that we/people easily see correlations where there possibly are none, especially for something that should actually cause only longterm effects (not like , oh they installed a meter now I suddenly feel sick). As Bill said, it's also obvious that higher power micro-waves have a negative effect on our health, just deactivate the interlock switch on a microwave oven and stick your fingers in it too be sure.

Increased bills for the same service and the same consumption is definitely reason to be concerned. Some say it's partly because of the meters own power consumption. I don't believe it, this can only be a few watts.
others say it's because the new meter can and will also measure inrush current of motors, like in a fridge, fans etc. But how often do we restart a motor? And they last also only a few hundreds of ms maybe?

I wonder how the electronic meter measures against the old eddy current meters when it comes to switched mode power supply currents (without PF correction). If I had two at hand I really would like to do some tests. All the hypotheses on the net are annoying.

#### praondevou

Joined Jul 9, 2011
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Whole lot of BS: "SMART METERS WERE DESIGNED AS NON LETHAL ELECTRONIC WEAPONS... UNTIL SOMEONE ACTUALLY TARGETS YOU."

This is the kind of stuff you read on the internet. Now think about people who haven't got a clue about RF. Fear mongering everywhere.

#### Kermit2

Joined Feb 5, 2010
4,162
If the old meters couldn't detect the phantom watts of low power factor devices and the new ones can - then that would explain the new higher bills.

Of course this is the first time in my entire life I have lived in an all electric home. I grew up with gas appliances; dryers, water heaters and central heat, oven and stove, all gas. Now they're all electric. Figures!

#### GopherT

Joined Nov 23, 2012
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It could also be an attempt for power companies to get in on the value of information bandwagon. When are they home, when do they cook, how often do they use the stove, how many hours a day do they watch TV?

Who knows the reason for a smart meter. The possible benefits will not outweigh the cost, for the consumer or the power company.

#### debe

Joined Sep 21, 2010
1,226
Here in Australia I had grid feed system installed, The new digital meter was a one of payment of \$400. the interesting thing is it doesn't realy benefit me a lot as the power company charge me 30c/Kw & pay me a credit of 23.6c/Kw. The old disk type meter was beter as it spun backwards when exess power was generated. This would give me a payback value the same as what they charged me.

#### alfacliff

Joined Dec 13, 2013
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the effects are not known? the frequrncies in uhf have been used for years for tv transission, mobile radio and lots of other things. these "smart meters" transmit less power than the common outside thermometer, and about the same way, a short data burst every once in a while. the effect of the average police car radio transmitting a couple of seconds would be more than the effect of these things transmitting for an hour. a lot of hysteria has been stirred up over nothing as far as the efffects of rf at these frequencies. the military transmits megawatt pulses on this frequency band from both coasts continously. any medical or other effects from that?
as far as the bills going up or down as compared to the manual reading, there isnt really anything we can do about that, it is in the hands of bought off regulators.