It's not a trail against a civilian so those rules don't apply.

You have just named an aspect that I despise. All of us are supposed to be, "equal under the law". In my opinion, especially those whose profession involves knowing the law. The unfortunate truth in America is that those with money, power, prestige, or position are more equal than the citizens they are supposed to be serving or protecting...to the point that they regularly get away with murder.

 

In my home town yesterday. An armed citizen shot and killed an assailant running from the police; he was in a stolen pickup when he exited the vehicle and proceeded to remove a women from her car. The a 31 year old male pulls his weapon and has him get out of her car; when he exited the vehicle he lunged for the gun and the man fearing for his life shot him in the chest.

The news reporter admittedly said on camera the 31 year old shooter; won't be charged as it was justified. The assailant was larger than him and he was in feared for his life.

http://fox13now.com/2015/05/02/man-...hoots-suspected-carjacker-in-orem-police-say/

The next report was a women found in a suit case near the airport. Only 30 minutes from where I live.

Doesn't matter where you live these days?

kv

 

You have just named an aspect that I despise. All of us are supposed to be, "equal under the law". In my opinion, especially those whose profession involves knowing the law. The unfortunate truth in America is that those with money, power, prestige, or position are more equal than the citizens they are supposed to be serving or protecting...to the point that they regularly get away with murder.

It might come as a shock but those rules work both ways. If you as a citizen punched a guy in a bar because he said something bad about your mother that's just you and him, simple assault. If a cop on duty did the same thing the full force of the ' civil rights law' would be on his behind in an instant for abuse of power, prestige, or position.

Being stopped and questioned by police in connection with a crime is an unsettling experience for most anyone. As long as the officer is performing his job properly, however, there is no violation of a suspect's rights. In fact, police are immune from suit for the performance of their jobs unless willful, unreasonable conduct is demonstrated. Mere negligence, the failure to exercise due care, is not enough to create liability. Immunity therefore means that in the typical police-suspect interaction, the suspect cannot sue the police. Civil rights remedies come into play for willful police conduct that violates an individual's constitutional rights. -

http://civilrights.findlaw.com/civil-rights-overview/police-misconduct-and-civil-rights.html

 

In my home town yesterday. An armed citizen shot and killed an assailant running from the police; he was in a stolen pickup when he exited the vehicle and proceeded to remove a women from her car. The a 31 year old male pulls his weapon and has him get out of her car; when he exited the vehicle he lunged for the gun and the man fearing for his life shot him in the chest.

The news reporter admittedly said on camera the 31 year old shooter; won't be charged as it was justified. The assailant was larger than him and he was in feared for his life.

http://fox13now.com/2015/05/02/man-...hoots-suspected-carjacker-in-orem-police-say/

The next report was a women found in a suit case near the airport. Only 30 minutes from where I live.

Doesn't matter where you live these days?

kv

As I understand the story, the female owner of the MB was out of the car and the carjacker was in her car, at which point the armed citizen pointed his weapon at the carjacker and ordered him out of the car. As a CCP holder, I would not have done so. The female was apparently out of danger, and although the carjacker might have hurt or killed someone else, I would not have intervened. I'm not interpreting Utah law, but simply saying how I would have reacted.

 

Lesson learned, don't try to attack a CCP holder headed to the shooting range, unlike the police he can kill with one shot.

"Police say the suspect had numerous felony warrants."
and won't be missed by society.

 

It might come as a shock but those rules work both ways. If you as a citizen punched a guy in a bar because he said something bad about your mother that's just you and him, simple assault. If a cop on duty did the same thing the full force of the ' civil rights law' would be on his behind in an instant for abuse of power, prestige, or position.

I would say, "Then why has it taken 50 years of rioting to get a bunch of thugs in uniform arrested?" but there are people here that believe rioting had nothing to do with stopping police murders, and the police believe that, too.

Problem is, I don't believe that.

 

As I understand the story, the female owner of the MB was out of the car and the carjacker was in her car, at which point the armed citizen pointed his weapon at the carjacker and ordered him out of the car. As a CCP holder, I would not have done so. The female was apparently out of danger, and although the carjacker might have hurt or killed someone else, I would not have intervened. I'm not interpreting Utah law, but simply saying how I would have reacted.

Ya, living here is about like living in Texas. But; there was a shooting that happened just behind my house in the rich part of the neighborhood. He was charged "First degree murder felony" I don't know how many years they gave him?

I knew the guy he shot. The shooter was his Brother in-law. Almost emptying his gun 5 shots fired 2 still in the clip. http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/52535529-78/strate-sidwell-brother-law.html.csp

Marvan, the man shot was not to be taken lightly. He only stands my height but; very strong. Plus he was pumped up on meth; I would have been afraid for my life. The article also noted something I was not aware of; he also had Hepatitis C and was bleeding from the physical encounter just before the shooting occurred.

kv

 

Thank Dog we still have juries made of mostly average citizens.
That is often the only way to escape being sent to jail forever for doing exactly what a LEO would do.

 

Juries are the last defense against our government and unjust laws. I remember hearing a story several decades ago, not sure how true it is, about a man who raped, tortured and killed a young woman. He was caught and convicted. When he was released 10 years later on parole her father was waiting with a 30/30 a fair distance away, shot him dead with one shot, then turned himself in at the scene. The Grand Jury refused to indite.

It was clearly murder, but this guy should have never gotten out, period.

Prosecutors can loose touch with reality sometimes too.

 

I would say, "Then why has it taken 50 years of rioting to get a bunch of thugs in uniform arrested?"
...

Because it hasn't been 50 years.
I posted a link in this thread about the dark side. Plenty of 'thugs in uniform' are being charged and arrested. The fact a some policemen are thugs is not surprising The world is filled with bad people and you need some 'bad' people on our side to stop them. Training and the fear of capture keeps most of them in line.

 

Lesson learned, don't try to attack a CCP holder headed to the shooting range, unlike the police he can kill with one shot.

"Police say the suspect had numerous felony warrants."
and won't be missed by society.

Just got off the phone with a friend. When ever we go camping or even out with our wive's; he carries. The difference is he will only remove it; when or if it could be warranted. He's a competition shooter; he use to hold rank in his division for a while; of course back then open sight revolver was not sought after by professionals until his group was noticed in the charts and since been dwarfed by professional shooters.

His brother and him once found black powder shoot using their 44cal. ball and cap old army Remington's was split lead on the edge of an ax to win the competition.

His target 40cal. revolver is much more accurate.

Some of these guys are carrying more amo than you think! They have quick release speed loaders mounted on their belts. Even though its a revolver; they have 12 bullets to dispense and just about as quick as the Semi - Auto.


kv

 

The Grand Jury refused to indite.[sic]

It's possible they were presented with a bad choice, where they had to either let him off or risk seeing him executed (which they presumably did not agree with). They might have gone forward with a lesser charge. Just speculating.

 

I think I'm dealing with the kind of people that know what, "Jury Nullification" is.
For those few that don't...

Homework Assignment: Look up, "Jury Nullification".
Simply, the right of a jury to refuse to convict for any reason or no reason whatsoever.
No matter if the suspect broke the letter of the law, or an absurd law, or a reasonable law.
Any jury can ignore piles of charges and lists of laws if they believe the suspect doesn't deserve punishment.
You will not be challenged by the people in charge after the verdict is read.
You can not be charged with anything for voting your conscience as a jury member.

 

Because it hasn't been 50 years.

I need to phone PBS about their show last night. Obviously, it was wrong.

 

I need to phone PBS about their show last night. Obviously, it was wrong.

Obviously.

 

It's possible they were presented with a bad choice, where they had to either let him off or risk seeing him executed (which they presumably did not agree with). They might have gone forward with a lesser charge. Just speculating.

Agreed, but then, it was a choice the father should have never had to make. The world is full of bad choices. If this had been my kid I would like to think I made the same choice, and take the consequences as this father did.

I have several girls I raised, I think of them as my kids, and have referred to them as my daughters. It changes ones views summat.

 

Agreed, but then, it was a choice the father should have never had to make. The world is full of bad choices. If this had been my kid I would like to think I made the same choice, and take the consequences as this father did.

I have several girls I raised, I think of them as my kids, and have referred to them as my daughters. It changes ones views summat.

I had to stop watching the news; 10 years ago. A man Rapes a 10 year old and then uses a claw hammer to remove her face. She didn't die; but it left emotional scares on my mental ability to hold my temper and I broke down 2 weeks later not able to get it out of my head. I just had to desensitize myself; no news since. The less I know the better; if I need to know someone will tell me.

I thought of a thousand ways to remove that scum from the face of the earth and the child was not my own.

I have no idea how I would have been able to control my temper under that situation.

I raised 3 daughters and one of my own. I know how you feel.

kv

 

I would say, "Then why has it taken 50 years of rioting to get a bunch of thugs in uniform arrested?" but there are people here that believe rioting had nothing to do with stopping police murders, and the police believe that, too.

Problem is, I don't believe that.

Are you really trying to claim that no police officer has been arrested in the past 50 years?

Refuting that is trivial -- don't even need to look it up: Rodney King.

A real fast search shows that in a 21-month period from April 2009 to December 2010 there were over 3200 U.S. uniformed police officers charged with criminal offices of which over 1100 were convicted and about 400 imprisoned.

 

Are you really trying to claim that no police officer has been arrested in the past 50 years?

Are you really trying to interpret, "a bunch of" as, "every LEO everywhere, all the time"?
American police killed over 1000 people in 2014. They do that with no repercussions all to often.
You may now claim I said, "All police everywhere always get away with murder".

 

Then what is it that you are claiming hasn't happened for 50 years?