Selecting an in line circuit breaker

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stryped

Joined Sep 17, 2023
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If I wanted to install an in line circuit breaker on the feed line for a fridge compressor as an extra safety, ho would I determine the correct size and type?
The compressor is rated at 221 watts and runs on 110 to 120 ac.
also would an auto resetting one be okay?
 

MisterBill2

Joined Jan 23, 2018
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Most sealed unit refrigeration compressors include an over-temperature cutout that resets after it cools off. For most applications that is entirely adequate.
I did see one instance with an older refrigerator in which the compressor would not start but keep trying until the over temperature switch opened, then it cooled for about minutes and tried again. That house had enough wire resistance that the current never cleared the mains fuse, and so the cycle repeated for over a week. When I discovered it the floor beneath the compressor was slightly charred, so it was on the way toward starting a fire. The compressor was touching the floor because the rubber isolation mounts had failed long ago..
That refrigerator was at least 5 years old.

Despite that one observed failure, an inline circuit breaker adds potential failure points in a circuit that is important to maintain, to preserve the contents.
 

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stryped

Joined Sep 17, 2023
25
Most sealed unit refrigeration compressors include an over-temperature cutout that resets after it cools off. For most applications that is entirely adequate.
I did see one instance with an older refrigerator in which the compressor would not start but keep trying until the over temperature switch opened, then it cooled for about minutes and tried again. That house had enough wire resistance that the current never cleared the mains fuse, and so the cycle repeated for over a week. When I discovered it the floor beneath the compressor was slightly charred, so it was on the way toward starting a fire. The compressor was touching the floor because the rubber isolation mounts had failed long ago..
That refrigerator was at least 5 years old.

Despite that one observed failure, an inline circuit breaker adds potential failure points in a circuit that is important to maintain, to preserve the contents.
ok. What about fail safes for the Ssr?
Here are actual compressor specs:
1/3- hp
Displacement 7.7cc
From 100W to 671W Cooling (341 to 2289BTUs) ASHRAE : 220w - 751btu
110-120VAC
50-60Hz
R134A
Low Back Pressure
PTC Starting Relay
Motor Type CSIR
Includes electricals, grommets and sleeves.

Cooling capacity ASHRAE
-35C (-31F) - 100w - 341btu
-30C(-22F) - 130w - 444btu
-25C(-13F) - 169w - 577btu
-23.3C(-10F) - 220w - 751btu - input power 165W - current 2.40 Amps - COP 1.35 - EER 4.55
-20C(-4F) - 275w - 938btu
-15C(5F) - 344w - 1174btu
-10C(10F) - 430w - 1467btu
-5C(23F) - 537w - 1832btu
0C(32F) - 671w - 2289btu
Certification : UL Underwriters Laboratories Recognized
Nationally Recognized Testing Laboratories (NRTL)

 

crutschow

Joined Mar 14, 2008
33,331
If you do add a breaker or fuse, you might want to add a warning circuit that indicates the loss of power when the breaker/fuse opens.
 

MisterBill2

Joined Jan 23, 2018
16,497
The wayto warn of control failures is with a temperature sensing switch. over or under the set temperature range an alarm lights up and the failure is announced.
 

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stryped

Joined Sep 17, 2023
25
The 120 volt circuit going to the condenser fan is .08 mA. I am having trouble finding a Ssr that will turn on with that low of a current. Does one exist?
 

MisterBill2

Joined Jan 23, 2018
16,497
The 120 volt circuit going to the condenser fan is .08 mA. I am having trouble finding a Ssr that will turn on with that low of a current. Does one exist?
That current, 0.08mA, is neither reasonable nor believable. So I suggest that the number is either a misprint or a mis-reading. Where did that number come from??
There has been no mention of a condenser fan in this thread until now.
Could this answer be intended for the thread where a BLDC compressor is being replaced??? I had just suggested using an SSR to sense that the condenser fan was powered in that thread.
 

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stryped

Joined Sep 17, 2023
25
That current, 0.08mA, is neither reasonable nor believable. So I suggest that the number is either a misprint or a mis-reading. Where did that number come from??
There has been no mention of a condenser fan in this thread until now.
Could this answer be intended for the thread where a BLDC compressor is being replaced??? I had just suggested using an SSR to sense that the condenser fan was powered in that thread.
Sorry, yes I guess I put in wrong thread
 

ThePanMan

Joined Mar 13, 2020
702
I've scrapped a number of old treadmills. Every one of them have had a 15 amp circuit breaker built into the unit. For sure it is an "in-line" breaker. IF your main circuit is 15 amps and you have an extra 15 amp breaker in line there would be no problem. But if you have the same 15 amp circuit and you put a 20 amp in line breaker you're not going to ever see it do a satisfactory job. Conversely you can have a 20 or 30 amp circuit and a 15 amp in line breaker with no problems or issues. If your equipment fails then the 15A breaker will break the circuit. As long as you never go for a higher rating than what the wiring is designed to operate safely at then there should be no problem.

NEVER EVER replace a 15 amp breaker with a 20 or 30 amp breaker. The wiring is likely 14 gauge and rated for 15 amp service. However, you're ok if you replace a 20 amp breaker with a 15 amp breaker as long as the original circuit was designed to operate on 20 amps. Heck - you could go with a 2 amp breaker if you desired in that last case. And I say that merely as an EXTREME example. You're not going to find a 2 amp breaker very easily. Certainly not one designed for a home circuit breaker panel.
 

MisterBill2

Joined Jan 23, 2018
16,497
The exceptions being the time lag factor of different breakers. Especially in larger power distribution systems, it is appropriate to have the farther out breakers set to trip more rapidly than those protecting a larger area. When the main breakers were very fast to trip we routinely had large area blackouts. But after the delay settings were adjusted, the blackouts were limited to the vicinity of the triggering fault. This was a great improvement. I was amazed that the utility engineer in charge had not been aware of adjustable trip delays. (I was the one who suggested investigating and adjusting. them)
 
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