"Modbus RTU is an open serial protocol derived from the master/slave architecture (now client/server) originally developed by Modicon (now Schneider Electric)."

NO, it is master/slave. Language evolves naturally and it is not for a few whiners to change it. Would Maître d'esclave go over better?

Having stated that languages evolve naturally I still shudder at the throught of "wanna" becoming an actual word.

 

Because of a concern in regards to the connotations of “master” and “slave”, the alternative “controller” and “worker”, or “primary” and “secondary”, or “primary” and ”replica”, depending on context, attempts to eliminate those connotations. (Though controller/worker might upset Communists…)

”Blacklist” and “whitelist” is also receiving the same treatment, with “allowlist” and “blocklist” being the general consensus.

I am more sympathetic to the latter than the former in terms of practical impact on people who have to work with these terms and who don’t want to have to ignore the fact that “black” which they may be themselves is considered bad while “white“ is good. The former uses the same logic but I don’t find myself convinced that it is more than virtue signaling—unlike the latter.

Is any of it necessary? I think so, but I don’t think anyone (outside some… err… special interest… communities) thinks that Master/Slave is a thing we deal with today, nor are any of the people using the terms either masters or slaves. So, it’s a mixed bag. But, keep an eye out, there are others and more to come.

 

I would suggest initiator/responder as a replacement for master/slave. It is both neutral and more descriptive.

 

“Client/server” seems to be another, especially for Ethernet-related things. “controller/peripheral” seems to suit I2C and SPI though the SPI pins would have to be renamed CIPO and PICO.
I always thought that Whitelist was a recent back-formation from Blacklist, but OED gives its first use as long ago as 1842.
And “wanna” will never be a real word.

 

And “wanna” will never be a real word.

You are prolly right.

 

“Client/server” seems to be another, especially for Ethernet-related things. “controller/peripheral” seems to suit I2C and SPI though the SPI pins would have to be renamed CIPO and PICO.
I always thought that Whitelist was a recent back-formation from Blacklist, but OED gives its first use as long ago as 1842.
And “wanna” will never be a real word.

While I can’t get too upset about “wanna”, the less/fewer distinction is definitely one of my domesticated peeves. I feel, though, that I can “justify” this position as consistent with my principles.

I doubt too many people would argue in favor of prescriptive dictionaries today, but it is very easy to find ourselves arguing as if we do favor them—sometimes. Many objections to trends in popular usage hinge on aesthetic objections rather than rational ones.

For example, it is (among some) a fashion to revile “text speak”. It seems degenerate. But some of the loudest complainers happily communicate over the same radio waves with conversations like this:

W1XX: UR5NN
G1XXX: FB OM TNX

But that’s for efficiency? Spelling it all out using a key would be burdensome. Well, yes… and?

In any case, if I am going to prohibit mere aesthetics what is my version of legitimate objection? Well, I am with Fowler, the author of “Fowler’s Modern English Usage” where modern means the turn of last century. Fowler sets up a criterion for himself concerning what he will appear to be prescriptive about and what he won’t.

He objects to things that diminish the descriptive power of the language. That is, a usage that by conflating words that have only loosely coupled semantics removes a distinction the word made possible and replaces it with a duplicate meaning thereby decreasing the language’s ability to describe.

He gives examples, that sadly, by the time they reached me seemed to simply be the meanings of the words and I couldn’t understand his objection. But, thanks to examples in my own time, I could understand his point. One of those is less and fewer.

The fact that you can know that something you otherwise aren’t familiar with is, or is not, countable but the word used helps to express something that “less” alone just can’t. I have taken to switching it and using ”fewer” as the universal instead (rhetorically). Sometimes people get the point if you say something like “the movie was fewer interesting than I’d hoped”, &c.

But of the things that make me cringe a little, or even a lot, when I step back and ask that essential question, I find that much of the time there is actually an increase in the expressive power for those who use the words, or neologisms, or abbreviations that I might find uncomfortable.

And so I do object, conditionally, and say “I don’t like that, but I can‘t make any argument for you to stop.” “Wanna” falls in there somewhere. It is, after all, a reasonable transcription of what people actually say. It is harder to understand, and it is even a character shorter. And, when I am honestly introspective and listen to my own speech, when I say “want to” (and that is what I am saying) what comes out of my mouth is… “wanna”, even if I don’t wanna do that.

 

You are prolly right.

It’s interesting because while “wanna” is something I say, “prolly” isn’t. Mine has b’s in it.

 

Schemer/operative architecture.

Dumb/dumber architecture.

 

It’s interesting because while “wanna” is something I say, “prolly” isn’t. Mine has b’s in it.

You can say whatever you want, but putting it in writing is heinous.

 

Frankly master/slave is fine, absolutely fine. The practice of slavery predates most of our written history, it did not always imply a brutal, inhumane practice.

"Modbus RTU is an open serial protocol derived from the master/slave architecture (now client/server) originally developed by Modicon (now Schneider Electric)."

NO, it is master/slave. Language evolves naturally and it is not for a few whiners to change it. Would Maître d'esclave go over better?

Having stated that languages evolve naturally I still shudder at the throught of "wanna" becoming an actual word.

I tend to agree. The relationship historically of master and slave is used as a metaphor for a reason, the master has control and the slave does not, it perfectly captures the relationship. That does not mean that we somehow approve of the practice of using other people as slaves, though we do it routinely with animals.

Killing is generally frowned upon in our society, yet we have "kill switch", there is no need to anthropomorphize these kinds of terms, they are metaphors.

 

Being a slave is not all bad.

 

The practice of slavery predates most of our written history, it did not always imply a brutal, inhumane practice.

Not only that, it was used well into the 20th century, and in fact is still practiced in some areas of the world today.
Just not talked about too much.
Probably goes back to the origin of Man?

 

Not only that, it was used well into the 20th century, and in fact is still practiced in some areas of the world today.
Just not talked about too much.
Probably goes back to the origin of Man?

Not according to those in power in Florida. It never happened.

 

Not according to those in power in Florida. It never happened.

Florida is a special case. I blame Spain.
https://www.tampabay.com/opinion/20...-spanish-colonial-florida-and-america-column/

 

The practice of slavery predates most of our written history, it did not always imply a brutal, inhumane practice.

I do think it was a little more unpleasant than having to go outside in the rain.

Killing is generally frowned upon in our society, yet we have "kill switch", there is no need to anthropomorphize these kinds of terms, they are metaphors.

Good point about the kill switch. Same applies to “abort” - some countries seem to be getting rather exercised about that.

Final point - how does a female connector express consent?

 

What about male connector rejection?

 

 

Florida is a special case. I blame Spain.
https://www.tampabay.com/opinion/20...-spanish-colonial-florida-and-america-column/

So you think slavery stopped in Florida after the Spanish were defeated and left? The whole don't say woke thing is about Florida not wanting to admit that slavery, jim crow or any of that stuff ever happened. If you don't allow it to be taught or talked about it never happened. They don't even want a documentary allowed in Florida on TV. Not my thoughts but actually from FLA. https://www.tallahassee.com/story/n...can-states-banning-it-in-schools/69847374007/

 

So you think slavery stopped in Florida after the Spanish were defeated and left?

That's silly on so many scales from all sides. I was born in Texas from the descendants of cotton plantation slaves and attended segregated schools.You can't tell me a damn thing about slavery and it's horrible history dude (I talked to my grandmother about her grandmother who was a slave).
https://texashistoricalmarkers.weebly.com/site-of-extinct-town-of-hammond.html

They were not given land, they earned it with blood, sweat and tears.

 

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