Privacy lost...

BR-549

Joined Sep 22, 2013
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The reason we need privacy, is to protect us from those who believe they can detect and assign motive thru surveillance. And then classify you. The hi-tech class system.

In other words.......the reason you do the things you do, is because of another assigned motive, not your own motive.

They think that your motive can be determined.......your thoughts can be determined. They think they can read your heart.

All activity will be recorded. What will the social academics come up with.......along with the present secular dogma? How political will it be? Look at what happened to England. England is a gulag now. Strict political and speech laws. A gulag.

Skynet or Spynet is already here. It doesn't take a microphone to listen to your household.

Many digital devices can detect audio today.

The human condition, has always been the threat, not the weather.
 

justtrying

Joined Mar 9, 2011
439
The reason we need privacy, is to protect us from those who believe they can detect and assign motive thru surveillance. And then classify you. The hi-tech class system.

In other words.......the reason you do the things you do, is because of another assigned motive, not your own motive.

They think that your motive can be determined.......your thoughts can be determined. They think they can read your heart.

All activity will be recorded. What will the social academics come up with.......along with the present secular dogma? How political will it be? Look at what happened to England. England is a gulag now. Strict political and speech laws. A gulag.

Skynet or Spynet is already here. It doesn't take a microphone to listen to your household.

Many digital devices can detect audio today.

The human condition, has always been the threat, not the weather.
To me one of the most worriesome trends is the "health apps". The monitoring of personal physiological outputs 24/7, such as heart rate etc coupled with apps for women's health (period trackers) is as intrusive as it gets. All of that information is stored and can be used to "profile" someone based on their "symptoms" and of course attempt to predict future events. Surrender to the algorithm.

I refuse to believe that this is the tue human condition. I think this is the human condition in an artificially bloated society and it is natures way of controlling our population i.e there will be a population collapse due to a conflict sooner or later since this is not sustainable. An oscillatory system of sorts
 

BR-549

Joined Sep 22, 2013
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Hey 10-4. I consider the human condition.........the way we treat each other.

I was thinking it couldn't get any worse. I never thought of heart rate and respiration. But you are right, they'll record that too.

Then plug the data in...and tell you, or a state court, what you're thinking and why you did what you done.
 

nsaspook

Joined Aug 27, 2009
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https://www.businessinsider.com.au/...-governments-plan-to-spy-on-the-public-2019-6
NGO Electronic Frontiers Australia (EFA) told Business Insider Australia via email that the police raid was “authoritarian intimidation” and that we are all entitled to live in a free society without fear of bullying by police.

“We need to have a debate about Australians’ rights to privacy and security, and it needs to be held out in the open with the participation of civil society,” a spokesperson for EFA said.

“Exposing the government’s secret plans for yet more surveillance of our everyday lives is clearly in the public interest. This heavy-handed reaction from the government, and so soon after being returned to government after an expected loss, indicates that this is about consolidating power, not keeping us safe. That should scare anyone who wants Australia to be a free society.”
 

Berzerker

Joined Jul 29, 2018
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Didn't read the whole thread and don't know if it's been brought up in but!
All these people that go the places like "23andme' to get their DNA better start understanding that now they have most of your families linage.
So does the Government now. Don't dare think for one minute they aren't sharing it and placing it in a big A$$ data base. Just like Tracebook if you read the fine print you just signed over all your rights to "YOUR" privacy. They log where your at, Who your around and Who you correspond with. Your family, your kids and their friends, What content they view, What content you view.

Everyone that corresponds on Twitter better look at the the fist four letters of the site......."TWIT"

google said:
TWIT
a silly or foolish person.
synonyms: fool, idiot, ass, halfwit, nincompoop, blockhead, buffoon, dunce, dolt, ignoramus, cretin, imbecile, dullard, moron, simpleton, clod;
informaldope, ninny, chump, dimwit, nitwit, goon, dumbo, dummy, dum-dum, dumbbell, loon, jackass, bonehead, fathead, numbskull, dunderhead, chucklehead, knucklehead, muttonhead, pudding-head, thickhead, wooden-head, airhead, pinhead, lamebrain, peabrain, birdbrain, zombie, jerk, nerd, dipstick, donkey, noodle;
informalnit, numpty, clot, goat, plonker, berk, prat, pillock, wally, git, wazzock, divvy, nerk, twerp, charlie, mug, muppet;
informalnyaff, balloon, sumph, gowk;
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informalwing nut;
informaldrongo, dill, alec, galah, nong, bogan, poon, boofhead;
informalmompara;
vulgar slangknobhead;
vulgar slangasshat;
archaictomfool, noddy, clodpole, loggerhead, spoony, mooncalf
Brzrkr
 

nsaspook

Joined Aug 27, 2009
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https://theintercept.com/2019/05/29/nsa-sidtoday-surveillance-intelligence/?utm_source=pocket-newtab
One SIDtoday article recounts how a MUSKETEER team, having deployed to the U.S. embassy in Beijing, struck gold during a survey of Wi-Fi signals from “the embassies of India, Singapore, Pakistan, Colombia, and Mongolia.” At the Indian Embassy, the team discovered that someone, possibly sponsored by the Chinese government, had hacked computers inside and was transmitting “approximately 10 sensitive diplomatic documents” every day (“often Microsoft Office-compatible files or Adobe PDF documents”) to drop boxes on the “public internet.” The NSA began regularly collecting the information from these drop boxes for itself and “analyzing the Indian Embassy’s diplomatic communications,” according to SIDtoday.

Later, by analyzing “how the Chinese conduct computer-to-computer (C2C) operations against foreign targets,” the team was able to find hacking by China “in several other locations.”

This type of operation, in which a spy agency piggybacks off the work of a different spy agency against a shared target, is referred to as “fourth-party collection.”
 

justtrying

Joined Mar 9, 2011
439
In a world gone mad...

My dogs sister had to be put down due to bad osteoporosis. Several days after texting about it I start to get ads about dog joint medication on facebook. How nice is that?

On a more serious note, smart hones are set to measure vitals using wifi. It is for the Greater Good. Would be interesting once they start using it at work. I suggest everyone enters a zen state and learna to regulate their heart beat before it is too late
 

nsaspook

Joined Aug 27, 2009
16,325
https://reason.com/2019/07/02/hong-kong-protests-show-dangers-of-a-cashless-society/
Using cash to purchase single tickets meant that governments couldn't connect activists' activities with their Octopus accounts. It was instant anonymity. Sure, it was less convenient. And one-off physical tickets cost a little more than the Octopus equivalent. But the trade-off of avoiding persecution and jail time was well worth it.

What could protestors do in a cashless world? Maybe they would have to grit their teeth and hope for the best. But relying on the benevolence or incompetence of a motivated entity like China is not a great plan. Or perhaps public transit would be off-limits altogether. This could limit the protests to fit people within walking or biking distance, or people who have access to a private car—a rarity in expensive dense cities.
https://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Co...le-pay-hack-hits-Japan-s-drive-to-go-cashless
This marks a setback for digital payments in Japan, which ranks lower than Asian peers in the rate of cashless transactions. The country is hurrying to make itself friendlier to financial technology startups.

By early Thursday, Seven & i had confirmed about 55 million yen ($510,000) stolen from 900 or so 7pay users. The company has in effect suspended the service by stopping users from adding money to their accounts.

Tokyo police on Thursday arrested two Chinese nationals on suspicion of using other people's accounts to buy electronic cigarette cartridges worth about 730,000 yen from a 7-Eleven in Tokyo's Shinjuku Ward.
Bank robbery was never this easy.
 
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SamR

Joined Mar 19, 2019
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There was recently a news article about a guy who canceled his Amazon Prime account and Alexa started calling him Shit Head after. Amazon has paid him off and asked for his Alexa/Echo to investigate what happened.
 

BR-549

Joined Sep 22, 2013
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Ouch. This is not a very good record. Surely the mistakes are recorded so that engineers can adapt and improve the software.

I wonder if the number of false hits one has, could put one's profile in an "iffy" category? Everyone will have(if not already), a software profile. I'm sure the profile will be ranked, by many methods.

All this info can be used against you at the states' whim. Even a private parties' whim.

England no longer hesitates to imprison for political speech.

https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2019...by-uk-police-facial-recognition-are-innocent/
 

nsaspook

Joined Aug 27, 2009
16,325
https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/...zon-surveillance-cameras-using-taxpayer-money
The Ring doorbell surveillance camera sits squarely in the center of a Tiffany-blue online flyer, which provides details about a “Security Product Subsidy Event” in Arcadia, California.

“Big Sale,” the advertisement says, in citrus-colored script. "$100 off."

"HELP STOP CRIME BEFORE IT HAPPENS," the ad continues.

This isn't an ad from Best Buy or an electronics store. It’s an ad from the Arcadia city government. The local city government is selling discounted surveillance cameras directly to its residents, and the "discount" is subsidized by the city. In other words, taxpayer money is being paid to Ring, Amazon's home surveillance company, in exchange for hundreds of surveillance cameras.
 

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cmartinez

Joined Jan 17, 2007
8,763
... taxpayer money is being paid to Ring, Amazon's home surveillance company, in exchange for hundreds of surveillance cameras.

I'd rephrase that to "in exchange for an endless source of surveillance information" ... and I don't think it's a bad idea...
 

WBahn

Joined Mar 31, 2012
32,847
If you are going to make the assertion that England is imprisoning people for political speech, wouldn't it be reasonable for the article you post to have at least something, anything, remotely related to someone being imprisoned or some relation to political speech?

All this article says is that the facial recognition system they are performing trials on has a very high false-positive rate. That's all.

Police already deal with high false-positives on identification of suspects. Any time they put out a photo, sketch, or description of a suspect they get flooded with calls by people that swear they've seen the person and the overwhelming majority of them are false-positives. It's always been that way. I would imagine if you could convince the police that you had a way to filter the data so that only nine out of ten reports they have to investigate are false positives, they would be thrilled at the improvement.

It really doesn't matter whether the false positive comes from a phone tip to a hotline, a police officer watching the neighborhood they are patrolling, a TSA agent at a screening station, or a facial recognition system using a camera mounted in a public place. What matters is how false-positives are dealt with and we already know how to deal with them reasonably. We already need to ensure that the data collected in conjunction with false-positives is not retained from other identification sources, the same just needs to be applied to electronic means, as well.
 

WBahn

Joined Mar 31, 2012
32,847
The taxpayer-money-going-to-Amazon is a red-herring (unless something underhanded is uncovered). Cities offer subsidies all the time for all kinds of things. When I first moved to Colorado Springs the municipally-owned utility was offering all kinds of subsidies for energy and water saving devices. Some were ones that you purchases and then claimed the credit while others were ones that you simply contacted the utility and they came out and installed them -- the one they were really pushing were controllers for A/C units that would duty cycle them to reduce peak demands. In both cases taxpayer money was going to the suppliers of the devices and, in the case of ones supplied by the city, the city was using taxpayer money to purchase the items directly.

The real issue, as I see it, is whether the city has access to the data from these devices. If the city has made an arrangement that gives them access to the data, THAT would be unacceptable in my opinion, particularly if it wasn't made extremely explicit to the homeowner.
 

nsaspook

Joined Aug 27, 2009
16,325
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The real issue, as I see it, is whether the city has access to the data from these devices. If the city has made an arrangement that gives them access to the data, THAT would be unacceptable in my opinion, particularly if it wasn't made extremely explicit to the homeowner.
I agree with you. I'd like to see the Ring data use agreement (explicit or implied by police request) and what the conditions are for when police can seek a search warrant from Ring over the objections of the subscriber. I'd also like to know what legal penalties there are for corporate and governmental misuse.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/doorbell-cams-raise-privacy-fears-and-concerns-about-bias/
Officers can view a "heat map" that shows the general area where cameras are, but they do not see a camera's actual location. If police want a video, they must contact Ring to see if the resident is willing to share, said Jennifer Brutus, senior management analyst for the Arcadia Police Department.
https://theintercept.com/2019/02/14/amazon-ring-police-surveillance/
But what does it mean when a wholly owned Amazon subsidiary teams up with local law enforcement? What kind of new creature is this, and what does it mean to live in its shadow? In a recent overview of Ring’s privacy risks, the Washington Post’s Geoffrey Fowler asked the company about its data-sharing relationship with police and was told, “Our customers are in control of who views their footage. Period. We do not have any plans to change this.” Fowler wrote: “But would Ring draw an ethical line at sharing footage directly with police, even if there was consent? It wouldn’t say.” The answer is that no such line, ethical or otherwise, exists.
 
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