We have heard both sides of the discussion from you two.

On AAC we use a lot of acronyms freely and with understanding, TTL, CMOS, PSU, MCU, KCL, KVL, USB.

Without doubt, some txt speak is creeping into common usage, BTW, AFAIK.
But sorry, I cannot accept
SRY, PPL, IDK, PLZ...my POV.

So knock it off both of you, please.

Let's spell it out in plain English where possible.
It is common practise to define the acronym the first time it appears in formal writing.

 

kv first I need to say that based on polite tone of your post I'm responding to now, I can definitely see maybe I misinterpreted tone of your post I responded to yesterday, if so I'm sorry for my curt reply!

In IT my work requires enough acronyms, talking tech makes it easier. I don't need to learn txt speak, so if you want to be understood fully don't do it, plus no need to be offended. Do it or don't, I don't care to read it if you do, all I said.

kv I totally agree that jargon and textease hinder communication with general readership. I also agree that using it on this site (which has diverse multicultural and multidisciplinary membership) is definitely a bad idea and can sometimes accidentally seem rude! So that's why I'm working on _spelling out_ discipline specific abbreviations at least once in every post I use them in and totally _dropping_ textease on this site.

But I still say this subset of examples are not textease and definitely not jargon. Just common abbreviations:

_ABT, BTW, IIRC, POV, PPL, IDK, SRY, PLZ_

Because they are in general use all over web and even in printed material.

Didn't need to go back 3 months, it was right in front of my face, after "KISS" (Keepitsimplestupid) posted. I went to see what he posted then found yours and spinners posts, I simply agree with him which, he and I rarely do BTW.

kv I see what you mean! So other post _bumped_ thread back to top! Sorry I missed that!

I also agree with you, it's something that I've tried to change but at least my spelling is usually correct even if it's the wrong word choice, grammatical errors are often as well as punctuation. But most of the time intelligible.

kv thanks for sharing that because now I think we can understand each other's positions better by seeing how we each have somewhat similar challenge but in different area! So the reason it's struggle for me remembering to NOT use textease on here is that it's used and basically required on some other (by which I mean non-AAC) forums and chat rooms that I participate on. Also I say please don't worry about w/w type spelling errors, grammar or punctuation cuz I'd be one throwing stones minor planets from MY glass house complaining about that!

kv huge thanks for courteous reply! Because based on tone of my last post to you it could easily have escalated to full blown bicker and that's definitely last thing any of us want!

 

But sorry, I cannot accept
SRY, PPL, IDK, PLZ...my POV.

Mr chips I need to say I totally disagree with you saying those very COMMON abbreviation are textease? Anyhow since Moderation sets rules I'll comply but please understand that it isn't easy and I'll probably mess up sometimes! So when it happens it's not act of defiance at all! Just bad proofreading which I can correct!

 

And it's not my time to be waisted looking for the correct meaning of your "txt speak"

So everyone on here should be careful to use the correct words?

 

So everyone on here should be careful to use the correct words?

Mr chips I need to say I totally disagree with you saying those very COMMON abbreviation are textease? Anyhow since Moderation sets rules I'll comply but please understand that it isn't easy and I'll probably mess up sometimes! So when it happens it's not act of defiance at all! Just bad proofreading which I can correct!

Sure you can disagree. Sure they are COMMON.
But it's all creep.
BTW has become common on AAC to my displeasure.
I'm an old curmudgeon and will fight the textease till the day I can't type any more whole words.

 

Sure you can disagree. Sure they are COMMON.
But it's all creep.
BTW has become common on AAC to my displeasure.
I'm an old curmudgeon and will fight the textease till the day I can't type any more whole words.

Mr Chips I totally get it! Even at my _tender age_ I stop reading at 1'st sight of _teh_ Unless I think it's honest misspelling

So anyhow no hard feelings at all! I look on it as enhanced opportunity to learn very important skill of being flexible to _do as the Romans do_ whatever site I'm on!

 

So everyone on here should be careful to use the correct words?

What do you mean? Are you asking a question or just sarcasm. If a question I'll say SCCM (Microsoft) "System Center Configuration Manager", IBM, etc. and the like acronyms of common Tech we use or maybe familiar with depending on the "Forum", however txt speak is not so common to everyone, if I want to pull something out of my rear end, it's going to be found in a dictionary. For instance if someone doesn't know a phrase I'm more than willing to supply it.

As to <sar> you're funny.

kv

 

What do you mean? Are you asking a question or just sarcasm.

I love it when someone posts a message criticising a posters use of language and in their own post there is some glaring error.

 

I love it when someone posts a message criticising a posters use of language and in their own post there is some glaring error.

I see said the blind man

Once more as I've have said wrong word correctly spelled Waisted (Which nothing can be) - Waist, also in that post I admit choosing wrong words that sound the same yet spelling is different with different meaning. As I have freely admit in times past my use of the "English language" is poor if not rotten.

It has never been my strongest skill. Math is easier for me to understand at least it makes sense, Language has always confused me e.g. why I don't need to have someone make it even more difficult.

But, thank you for pointing that out.

kv

 

It has never been my strongest skill. Math is easier for me to understand at least it makes sense, Language has always confused me

kv I say you shouldn't feel bad about that at all! English (like most languages) is based on convoluted history of many cultures (all the same as law)! So rules sometimes don't make sense! Also a lot of words that are basically synonymous have subtly nuanced connotation in different circumstance which is real stumbling block for ESLers

As example think on _shall_ and _will_: Main difference is one implies _complex future_ and other _simple future_ worst thing is those roles totally reverse depending on context of usage!

Also some words and phrases that look like they should be basically synonymous have totally different meaning! Here's perfect examples.

In standard usage:

◊Call girl = Prostitute.
◊Call boy = Stage hand.

◊Worthless = Low Value.
◊Priceless = High value.

◊Exceptional student = Talented student.
◊Special student = Student with learning disability.

Also cues (by which I mean tone of voice and _body language_) are lost in written language which can make it even harder!

So kv please accept my apology for bringing language use into that post! It was cheap shot on my part (because your criticism of my post was about abbreviations not English language use) so I'm sorry for that!

 

We have heard both sides of the discussion from you two.

On AAC we use a lot of acronyms freely and with understanding, TTL, CMOS, PSU, MCU, KCL, KVL, USB.

Without doubt, some txt speak is creeping into common usage, BTW, AFAIK.
But sorry, I cannot accept
SRY, PPL, IDK, PLZ...my POV.

So knock it off both of you, please.

Let's spell it out in plain English where possible.
It is common practise to define the acronym the first time it appears in formal writing.

FB OM UR 5NN

 

FB OM UR 5NN

Yaakov I say _Hamspeak_ is a totally different and WAY higher class world than textease!

 

Yaakov I say _Hamspeak_ is a totally different and WAY higher class world than textease!

Personally, while I use full spellings and punctuation, as well as a large vocabulary, I am loathe to complain about anything that effectively communicates. No doubt some things rankle, but that's just an æsthetic objection and I can't justify that beyond personal preference.

Given a free hand you would find me using as many diacritics and ligatures as possible. This is also almost purely æsthetic. I spell naïve, jalapeño, résumé, and many others when I don't think it will annoy others or mark me as affected. I do it because I love orthography and enjoy seeing the etymological roots of words displayed by it. I am even quirky enough to prefer indices to indexes, matrices to matrixes, and connexion to connection for example.

In fact, there is a good argument for the efficiency of much slang and abbreviation.

I do object, in what I believe is a justifiable way, to things that actually reduce the expressive power of language. But, so many of these things that cause us to cringe aren't that at all. they communicate quite well and offer efficiency of the same sort that abbreviations born of Morse code did. Tiny keyboards are a pain to type on, it's a lot easier to drop vowels and shorten things.