# Power dissipation rating

Discussion in 'General Electronics Chat' started by Veracohr, Apr 6, 2015.

1. ### Veracohr Thread Starter Well-Known Member

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When a transistor package specifies a power dissipation, that's probably average power right? I'd like to use a MMPQ6700 quad transistor package for something, which is rated at 1W total package dissipation. In simulation each transistor is dissipating over 500mW peak, but average around 215mW. Think it might be OK?

2. ### BobTPH Active Member

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Depends on how long they might stay at the max.

Bob

3. ### joeyd999 AAC Fanatic!

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Notice that you also have to derate 8 mW for each degree Celsius at ambients above 25C.

4. ### ScottWang Moderator

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Total device dissipation : 1000mW
Each bjt dissipation : 1000 mW/4 = 250mW

For the usage life and concern the heat.
Vceo = 40V, using 80%, Vce = 40V*80%=32V
Ic = 200mA, using 20%, Ic = 200mA*20%=40mA
Wmax = Vce*Ic= 32V*40mA = 128mW

5. ### crutschow Expert

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What is the duration of the peak power?

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6. ### Veracohr Thread Starter Well-Known Member

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Well the circuit is a headphone driver so that depends on what the input is and the level of the output. Simulating with a sine wave at max output power it's around peak for about 28% of a cycle, and it's above 250mW for about 43% of a cycle (using 250mW per transistor as a maximum).

That was at maximum level before an opamp in the circuit starts clipping. I don't really know what a comfortable output level will be, but reducing the output power to what might be a reasonable listening volume (~50mW load power) gives about 17% of a cycle within 10% of the peak, and about 31% of a cycle above 250mW.

Temperature isn't a concern, this will just be a temporary breadboard thing exposed to the room. I'm only building it so I can listen to the output of other audio circuits I'll be working on. If need be I can just go with single TO-92 transistors instead of the quad.

7. ### crutschow Expert

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So just feel the transistors when they are operating to see if the temperature becomes excessive.
Chances are you'll be okay.

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Thanks.

9. ### Veracohr Thread Starter Well-Known Member

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In case anyone is interested, I found out 50mW is WAY too much power for headphones. A reasonable listening level is more like 100 μW. With peaks around 50mV into 36Ω headphones the level was on the high side of comfortable listening (for me), and peaks around 100mV was OK only for short term.

I was going off the fact that my headphones are rated for 500mW. A person would have to be mostly deaf to stand that much!