An armed society is a polite society.

An armed society that respects guns could be a polite society. A society that resorts to guns to solve problems that can be solved through language is by no means polite. Refer to police who are supposed to be on proper use of guns - if you kill a suspect, how do you know if you eliminated the real threat? or if the person was the person of interest? There seem to be no rules anymore, just perceptions.

 

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I think you can tell that I am all about respect, responsibility, strength of character, and kindness. That is what I am talking about.

 

Since we are at war, here is why we are in trouble:

This is why

http://ent.siteintelgroup.com/State...ks-warns-operation-is-first-of-the-storm.html

and this is the response.
http://imgur.com/gallery/hKEgSEj

 

I assert that our freedom is not theirs to give -- only to protect.

Your assertion is (still) valid here in America, but I'm referring to all of Western civilization. You know, so I don't leave out France.

 

Anyone seen "Four Lions"? It is a good movie. I will not be able to fully express my opinion on here because the West will never accept the responsibility for this situation.
In short, when you destroy someone's home, when you accept people into your country who do not fit there simply because you need population grpwth to be positive, you cannot expect things to turn out all peaches and cream. I can speak to this because I do come from a country that had regular terror threat alerts for a number of years. Main targets were schools and subways.

 

We are only in trouble if we refuse to see the real situation. ISIS will win only if we let them. The Paris attacks have put ISIS in the worlds cross-hairs.

Quote, Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto, "I fear all we have done is to awaken a sleeping giant and fill him with a terrible resolve." He said this shortly after the Japanese bombing of Pearl Harbor.

 

C
I think you can tell that I am all about respect, responsibility, strength of character, and kindness. That is what I am talking about.

Respect, responsibility, strength of character, and kindness is what I perceived from your statement in the first place, so no worries there from my part... I did not intend for my participation in this discussion (or let's call it this "enthusiastic exchange of ideas") to be about gun control or not, but rather about the limits of respect for someone else's opinion and way of life. How is a free society that prides itself on its hard won liberties and its sacred free speech, tolerance and acceptance supposed to defend itself against those that do not tolerate nor accept us and will do everything in their power to make us obey their beliefs, and shut up or die?

I'm just wondering, is this problem too complicated to be easily solved, or is it so simple that it's glaring at our noses and we fail to see it?
Truth being told, I'm a little confused. Historically speaking, the direct attack of an ideology or religion has normally resulted in its strengthening it. Normally reason and personal example have been the best weapons against error. But in this case, we're dealing with an enemy that despises reason and is not interested in even questioning or debating his own beliefs!

 

C
I think it is time to warm up the B52s.

 

C
I think it is time to warm up the B52s.

If only the enemy could be found all gathered together in a single place...

 

Anyone seen "Four Lions"? It is a good movie. I will not be able to fully express my opinion on here because the West will never accept the responsibility for this situation.
In short, when you destroy someone's home, when you accept people into your country who do not fit there simply because you need population grpwth to be positive, you cannot expect things to turn out all peaches and cream. I can speak to this because I do come from a country that had regular terror threat alerts for a number of years. Main targets were schools and subways.

The West has plenty of blame but the murder of the citizens of Iraq, Syria and other Arabs by Daesh is a crime against humanity.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/video/ne...e-kill-captured-Kurds-shocking-new-video.html
http://www.presstv.com/Detail/2015/10/16/433707/Saudi-Arabia-Shia-Muharram-Daesh
http://www.arabnews.com/news/834411
http://www.juancole.com/2015/07/children-syrias-kobani.html
http://www.albawaba.com/news/daesh-executes-19-women-iraq-refusing-marry-militants-726506
https://syrianfreepress.wordpress.c...ried-some-alive-including-women-and-children/

 

The West has plenty of blame but the murder of the citizens of Iraq, Syria and other Arabs by Daesh is a crime against humanity.

We will end up talking in circles because the question is - were radical groups this active in the areas prior to our intervention? People of Lybia, Syria, Iraq, Iran should be free to decide their own fate but it was decided for them by outside forces. Once again I want to know, where are the reprecussions for Saudi Arabia and Turkey and their actions in this conflict. Similarly, where are clear answers on who the US have been funding and arming over the last 2 years in Syria? Where do you think all the arms went to that were supplied to Afghanistan and Iraq... anyway... old lessons here. No one learns

 

We will end up talking in circles because the question is - were radical groups this active in the areas prior to our intervention? People of Lybia, Syria, Iraq, Iran should be free to decide their own fate but it was decided for them by outside forces

You're right. So what do we do now? Ignoring the problem isn't a viable option.

 

Well people of Syria and Iraq should do their own policing rather then waiting for other countries to do the job for them.
Why 80% of "refugees" are men in their prime years which could have easily fought off ISIS, if Europeans could fight for their countries why they cant?

 

We will end up talking in circles because the question is - were radical groups this active in the areas prior to our intervention? People of Lybia, Syria, Iraq, Iran should be free to decide their own fate but it was decided for them by outside forces. Once again I want to know, where are the reprecussions for Saudi Arabia and Turkey and their actions in this conflict. Similarly, where are clear answers on who the US have been funding and arming over the last 2 years in Syria? Where do you think all the arms went to that were supplied to Afghanistan and Iraq... anyway... old lessons here. No one learns

Do you really to think this repeating cycle of murder was somehow started by recent events. These fools have been at war with each other and the rest of the world before the USA existed. The history of the ME is the history of human barbarity. Yes, we made deals with barbarians because that's who ran those countries and like you said a few like Iran and Iraq were actually becoming less barbaric in the 1970's. I went to military schools with Iranians and Saudi's in the 1970's with the US intent to create a professional military in those countries to constrain the religious barbaric leaders but the whole thing went sideways with the Cold-War (bipartisan) pressure to destroy the USSR at any cost so we supported leaders long after they were shown to be corrupt despots.

This is on us but the view that Daesh uses today to command terror on the world exist independent of the US, the West and modern civilization.

 

ISB123 - I agree. Why would anyone let them in as refugees? Refugees are women, children and old people. If you are of fighting age and your country is in civil war, join a side. I would not leave my country if this was happening.

nsaspook - I do not see how it would have gone global this fast without western intervention. But that's just me

pretty nice summary here: http://www.crethiplethi.com/the-his...lamic-countries/syria-islamic-countries/2015/

http://thediplomat.com/2014/08/iran-didnt-create-isis-we-did/

 

nsaspook - I do not see how it would have gone global this fast without western intervention. But that's just me

This group is a cancer for local people of Iraq and Syria. People who have lived together for years are now deadly enemies. Western intervention didn't make them do this (genocide of the Yazidi ).
http://www.npr.org/sections/paralle...raqi-town-but-ex-residents-hesitant-to-return

 

People who have lived together for years are now deadly enemies

For many centuries, actually...

 

nature abhorrs vacuum. Vacuum filled, the results are not pretty. Now maybe some understand why the removal of Assad that the US wanted (still wants actually) was so insane. And all this was done to please Saudis.


p.s. 993 school shootings in the US since nov 2012. Any suggestions to plausable explanations?

 

Remember the 2009 Fort Hood shooting? It was considered an act of workplace violence. Political correctness at its very best. One isn't allowed to call a spade a spade lest it offend someone. Western civilization has only itself to blame for not wanting to see the writing on the wall regarding Moslem terrorism. All terrorists are Moslems, but not all Moslems are terrorists!

 

There is no way we can win a proxy war in the middle east; if it were possible, it would have been accomplished by now. It didn't work in Vietnam or Korea, and it won't work in Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Libya, etc. The Arab nations are best ruled by Arabs who, for the most part, take a heavy-handed approach, whether the leaders call themselves "shah," "king," "president," "caliph," imam," or some other title. Arabs are tribal and democracy is not effective in tribal cultures — never has been and never will be.

The best course of action for the US is to mind our own business, and our own borders with vigor, and let the Arabs mind theirs. If we would, the acts of terrorism against the US would quickly diminish.