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Hypatia's Protege
- Joined Mar 1, 2015
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Paris attacks
- Thread starter nsaspook
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AND carbon fiber...--Emphasis added--
Nah! Tha't be aluminized polyethylene
TTFN
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Where is this, "here" of which you speak?
If you intended for "they've" to refer to people, I completely agree with you. People are the problem...not guns.
No gun has ever damaged society. In fact, no gun has ever "done" anything...good, bad, or indifferent; they are inanimate objects incapable of doing anything that is beyond human control. They are no different from hammers, knives, automobiles, drugs, or any other tool; they don't "do" anything but rather are "done with" by people.
I don't want a new gun every day, but I do like different guns for different purposes. For example, I have lots of "drivers;" some are for slotted screws, some are for Phillips, Torx, metric nuts, SAE nuts, Allen screws, etc., and I have several sizes of each type. They are tools, just like my guns, and they don't do anything that I don't cause or allow.
Some people collect guns like other people collect stamps or coins or motorcycles or quilts or...you name it. I once had a friend who collected trailer hitch balls; he had several dozen. Collecting is a hobby, and I see nothing wrong with collecting hitch balls or guns.
Yes. And if you put a dozen in a sack, they can make quite a deadly weapon.
On second thought, they should be banned altogether.
don't spread the emotion on too thick or we won't be able to taste the logic.
...Oh, wait....
You're not entirely wrong though, we pro-gun rights types typically respond to tragic events in pro-gun rights ways. But our ways are usually defensive, and logical in nature; in defense, from anti-gun rights types who use the same tired old emotional and irrational arguments in the wake of every tragedy, as an opportunity to strike fear into the masses and gain converts.
Do you even know why you (you, personally) are a polarized convert against gun rights? And don't tell me it's because they're dangerous and dredge up all the lives that have been taken by gun-wielding people; that's too obvious. I ask because in my experience, when someone makes such a strong emotional plea (especially in a room like this full of computer-brained logical types), it's only because they couldn't come up with a logical plea. Maybe they don't even understand the origin of their own strong feelings on the matter.
Do you think that your agenda leads to a safer society where there are no guns and dangerous people have to be a little more creative in striking terror into us? If so, then yeah, I completely agree; that gun-free utopia that you envision is completely ideal. I so wish that we could have that. But we can't; we never will. Pandora's box is already open, guns already exist, and are already in the wrong hands. There are, at least in this country, far too many guns already on the street to ever have any hope of eradicating them. All we can do now is fight fire with fire, and you and your ilk are championing making owning matches a crime. You succeed in that, and you only succeed in opening the forest to pyromaniacs.
Doesn't it seem logical, in the absence of even the hint of possibility to remove guns from the equation entirely, that we should educate ourselves in responsible gun ownership and protect ourselves with the very weapon that evil men seek to use against us?
Let's say you find yourself tomorrow in a dark theater with a masked, body-armored gunman, wearing night vision goggles and carrying a duffel bag full of assault rifles and spraying lead in your direction, would you rather:
A. Have all the ammo stockpiling, rifle worshiping, pistol packing, card carrying, gun religion fanatic NRA members locked up in the the insane asylum where your camp's "logic" dictates they probably should be
B. Have one of the above mentioned armed fanatics sitting on either side of you
C. Have this situation be null and void because guns don't exist
(hint: this is an A/B answer)
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Massive airstrike on ISIS objects in Syria carried out by long-range bombers of the Russian Aerospace Forces
https://www.rt.com/news/322436-russia-strikes-syria-putin/
justtrying
- Joined Mar 9, 2011
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do you know why you are so fearful that your guns will be taken away? What in that post made you think that snyone is trying to do it?
What pretty bombers, if not a bit aged tech-wise.
I would be proud to watch a video of an American sortie doing exactly the same thing.
justtrying
- Joined Mar 9, 2011
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Yebbut, not nearly as dramatic or patriotic.
I assume you're addressing me, so I'll bite. I'm fearful that my guns will be taken away because enough people in power want to take them, and all they need is justification. People sharing Brownout's sentiments are trying to give them that justification. Those in power use tradgedy to push their agenda; they play to the emotion and point fingers at the gun. They reinforce the negative cognitive connection between guns and evil over and over in an incessant barrage which some people actually fall for. Some people take bait, swallow it whole, and start casting it out again for others to take. A large part of their M.O. is questioning the sanity of anyone who dares own a gun, and that of anyone who dares not condemn gun ownership.
These people are creating a clan of fearful repeaters. Hordes of people passionate about something... about what, they don't really know; but they know one thing, guns need to be controlled. These poor drones don't know what they're asking for. They don't know who they're working for or the nature of the work they're doing. They are unknowingly working toward a power play to hand the powerful even more power; it has nothing to do with making the place safer. The end game as they would have it is a disarmed populace, incapable of resisting tyranny. And when that tyrannical force takes root and kills liberty, it will claim that it's only giving us what we asked for, and it will be correct in that.
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@strantor
"Let's say you find yourself tomorrow in a dark theater with a masked, body-armored gunman, wearing night vision goggles and carrying a duffel bag full of assault rifles and spraying lead in your direction, would you rather:
A. Have all the ammo stockpiling, rifle worshiping, pistol packing, card carrying, gun religion fanatic NRA members locked up in the the insane asylum where your camp's "logic" dictates they probably should be
B. Have one of the above mentioned armed fanatics sitting on either side of you
C. Have this situation be null and void because guns don't exist"
For some odd reason I was on 4chan some hours after the Batman movie shooting went down(My 3rd time there or something) and someone started a thread and posted a picture of a 3-4 year old in his home were it's parents had displayed their whole arsenal(It was huge). And the flag on the wall to put the icing on the cake. If I remember correctly the thread starter didn't really say anything but to post that picture.
What happened is that, and of course, is that snowballing of posts came to be. Most of them from each side of gun control argument but it had so recently happened and it is 4chan(what did you expect) Stuff got really heated. When you said that people like Brownout are just using emotional arguments the first thing that came to mind was that thread. To begin with both sides made their arguments but after about 50 post the worst of them people which hold similar ideas as yourself started to spam the thread with questions like "Are you a woman or a (no need to repeat)"
So when you say things like this remember that there are people on your side of the argument that you wouldn't want anywhere near anything you care about.
But I thought this was about the Paris attacks and not gun laws in different countries.
"Let's say you find yourself tomorrow in a dark theater with a masked, body-armored gunman, wearing night vision goggles and carrying a duffel bag full of assault rifles and spraying lead in your direction, would you rather:
A. Have all the ammo stockpiling, rifle worshiping, pistol packing, card carrying, gun religion fanatic NRA members locked up in the the insane asylum where your camp's "logic" dictates they probably should be
B. Have one of the above mentioned armed fanatics sitting on either side of you
C. Have this situation be null and void because guns don't exist"
For some odd reason I was on 4chan some hours after the Batman movie shooting went down(My 3rd time there or something) and someone started a thread and posted a picture of a 3-4 year old in his home were it's parents had displayed their whole arsenal(It was huge). And the flag on the wall to put the icing on the cake. If I remember correctly the thread starter didn't really say anything but to post that picture.
What happened is that, and of course, is that snowballing of posts came to be. Most of them from each side of gun control argument but it had so recently happened and it is 4chan(what did you expect) Stuff got really heated. When you said that people like Brownout are just using emotional arguments the first thing that came to mind was that thread. To begin with both sides made their arguments but after about 50 post the worst of them people which hold similar ideas as yourself started to spam the thread with questions like "Are you a woman or a (no need to repeat)"
So when you say things like this remember that there are people on your side of the argument that you wouldn't want anywhere near anything you care about.
But I thought this was about the Paris attacks and not gun laws in different countries.
One of my best old friends has turned into a sheep. He said he wasn't a Republican. Then he lost everything flipping houses when the sub-prime mortgage scandal tanked the housing market. Now he's a school teacher. When I told him about Clock Boy, he insisted the child must have done something to cause the problem. He keeps repeating to me, "You get the government you deserve because you voted for it".
http://www.rutherford.org/publicati...e_unelected_shadow_government_is_here_to_stay
http://billmoyers.com/2014/02/21/anatomy-of-the-deep-state/
http://www.rutherford.org/publicati...laws_in_the_eyes_of_the_american_police_state
http://thefreethoughtproject.com/american-cops-steal-property-burglars-combined/
The Paris attacks just showed how well the government protects a disarmed population.I thought this was about the Paris attacks and not gun laws in different countries.
http://dailycaller.com/2015/11/16/f...izens-of-civil-liberties-after-paris-attacks/
http://www.rutherford.org/publicati..._11_america_lessons_we_learned_too_late_short
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What's the difference?But I thought this was about the Paris attacks and not gun laws in different countries.
Because your premise is "what if" Not what happened.
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