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JoeJester

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Makes me think of modern airport security - stripping people of their privacy rights in the name of perceived safety is unacceptable.
Very recently a man managed to get a loaded pistol in his carryon luggage past TSA. He told the news he didn't realize it was in his backpack and didn't want to get anyone in trouble. His pistol travelled in his checked baggage on the return trip.

As far as armed citizens ...

CHICAGO – An armed man attempting to rob a neighborhood store was shot and killed by a customer who had a concealed carry license, Chicago police said Sunday.
 

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nsaspook

Joined Aug 27, 2009
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Sadly yes but the more the need to hurt them where they are getting their stuff from. Bombing them to submission will only make more people follow them.
They won't submit but because they are forming a terror 'state' (with a return address for a bomb in a pirates port) instead of a terror 'group' conventional bombing methods can contain their growth and reduce it's influence until the Daesh 'state' is seen as not successful in it's plan to 'end the world' and the current leaders are seen as imposers to the true next rulers of the magic kingdom.
 
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Sinus23

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They won't submit but because they are forming a terror 'state' (with a return address for a bomb) instead of a terror 'group' conventional bombing methods can contain their growth and reduce it's influence until the Daesh 'state' is seen as not successful in it's plan to 'end the world' and the current leaders are seen as imposers to the true next rulers of the magic kingdom.
I know or more accurate, I thought so much.

But.

Let me reiterate. Where does the weapons and money for those weapons come from? If we could only cut the mainline we would see a drastic difference. The thing I'm worried about is that the weapons they use are pretty much either given by us or at least sold by us...

Yeah yeah you can make a bomb in your kitchen but you can not sustain a war without a manufacturer.
 

#12

Joined Nov 30, 2010
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#12 I do get the every civilian armed argument but the cancer lies deeper than that. Plus a guy with a bomb in his backpack...A gun ain't a help there...:mad:

The disarming that I mentioned earlier was pointed against those people that we are at war with. Sorry if I did not make it clear enough.:(
I wasn't aiming my comment at you. Several people have said one thing or another about disarming the honest, legitimate citizens. I was announcing my opinion to all.
 

cmartinez

Joined Jan 17, 2007
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Thinking a completely helpless society is safe is also delusional. Speaking in absolutes invites valid disagreement.
In fact, being safe by being armed or not armed is relative to the culture involved. Take the Swiss, for instance, it is my understanding that, by military law, every citizen must own and keep a gun in good conditions. And yet you don't hear of mass shootings happening there. But, with all due respect, I wonder what would happen if Somalia were to arm every one of its citizens?
 

ISB123

Joined May 21, 2014
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I know or more accurate, I thought so much.

But.

Let me reiterate. Where does the weapons and money for those weapons come from? If we could only cut the mainline we would see a drastic difference. The thing I'm worried about is that the weapons they use are pretty much either given by us or at least sold by us...

Yeah yeah you can make a bomb in your kitchen but you can not sustain a war without a manufacturer.
Most of the weapons are supplied by Saudi Arabia, they bought out old Croatian weapon stockpiles which included plenty of machine guns, rifles, grenade launchers and RPGs. They said that they are going to use those to get familiar with the weapons, pretty sure you don't need thousands of weapons to get familiar with it.
 
stripping people of their privacy rights...
Not actually the case - body search/scanning are requirements of passage via certain transportation facilities - not of travel itself --- I feel arbitrary/impromptu 'searches' conducted on public highways (e.g. the RIDE program:mad::mad::mad:) are far more egregious than airport security --- That said, air terminal security doesn't seem to 'work':(:rolleyes:

Best regards
HP
 
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justtrying

Joined Mar 9, 2011
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Thinking a completely helpless society is safe is also delusional. Speaking in absolutes invites valid disagreement.
To clarify, are you presenting an opinion, or trying to finish my thoughts for me? I was merely addressing the prevalent opinion that an armed society is a safe one.

Canada is an armed society. For some reason there are no reports of kids accidentally shooting their siblings and the homocide rate (adjusted) is far lower. Yes there are hoops tp jump through to get a gun and you will not get a semi-automatic weapon.

But I walk my dog next to an open air shooting range and everyone I know owns a few guns because they all hunt.

What is a helpless society? If government disarmed its citizens and they do not like it, they are free to change it or circumvent the laws. Yes, it is a bloody, costly and uncomfortable process. And it has nothing to do with so-called "colored" revolutions.

p.s. maybe arming all citizens of Somalia isnt a bad idea. Even out the playing field. https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2015/country-chapters/somalia
 

strantor

Joined Oct 3, 2010
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I wonder what would happen if Somalia were to arm every one of its citizens?
I imagine most of the problems in Somalia would eliminate themselves along with most of the population.

Maybe that's the answer. We recall all of our troops from all over the world, but not their guns. We leave those.
 

#12

Joined Nov 30, 2010
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To clarify, are you presenting an opinion, or trying to finish my thoughts for me?
To clarify, I am pointing out that making blanket statements (with no reference to anyone you intend to address) invites valid disagreements. I leave finishing other people's thoughts to persons that are very different from me.
 
No. But the US said that they will
be putting more sanctions on Russia
Ok... I'm probably gonna catch some flack for this (NPI) -- I feel it's both arrogant, and, I daresay, disingenuous in the extreme of the US Govt to censure Russia for taking the initiative! --- It's a good deal someone 'stepped up to the plate', as it were, in Syria!?!? -- To all screaming 'but Putin is in it for his own gain' - I would ask; what international player is not??? The US Government's/Media's continued regard/portrayal of Russia as 'the villain' is both outdated and childish -- and while I'm at it; UKRAINE IS NONE OF THE WEST'S FREAKING BUSINESS!!!:mad::mad::mad:

As for insistence upon removal of Assad? Yeah that sure worked out with Husein, Mubarak, Gaddafi, etc...:confused: Sometimes he who would be free of flies must tolerate spiders... :cool::cool::cool:

Best regards
HP

PS -- There! I feel all better now!:)
 

Brownout

Joined Jan 10, 2012
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Canada is an armed society. For some reason there are no reports of kids accidentally shooting their siblings and the homocide rate (adjusted) is far lower. Yes there are hoops tp jump through to get a gun and you will not get a semi-automatic weapon.
It might be the hoops. Here, guns are freely available to almost anyone regardless of mental stability. Another possibly is the difference in a fervent, almost religious belief that guns are the magic elixir to all of society's ills. School gets shot up, we need more guns. Terrorists attack killing thousands, more guns. Bears beat the Lion, more guns. People here get nearly orgasmic over guns, never considering the damage they've done to our society. When a piece of dangerous iron is worshiped over all human life, then a society is in grave danger. I imagine that although Canadians are armed, they aren't all ga-ga over their arms, and worship them above all else. And perhaps, this allow Canadians to approach gun ownership and usage in a more rational and responsible way. Maybe to ya'll, a gun is a tool, and not a religious icon.
 
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