So if I once sat on a motorcycle or had my picture taken standing beside one do I qualify as having rational applied knowledge and understanding? I also once sniffed motorcycle exhaust if that helps?

Ron

In some areas and topics with certain people, Yes that would be a qualifications enough.

With them, it's not what you actually know and can do that matters. It's what you really really feel defines your beliefs and self associations on the subject that matters, so if you really feel like you're an expert on motorcycles and mechanical engineering then you obviously are and expert on motorcycles and mechanical engineering even if everything about you and your actions show the total opposite.

 

@ Reloadron, GopherT, killivolt You guy's haven't been following this guy's threads, I don't think. He is really a troll and trying to get his name out into the 'net' to increase hits to his blog. At his blog he claims to be a motorcycle design engineer. I've been reading his threads since he came here, and one thing he isn't is any kind of mechanical engineer. He makes up his own formulas that have no real meaning in the context of mechanics. Using his own 'terms' for the formulas. He has no understanding of how even the simplest mechanical elements or machines work.
I'm pretty sure that when he saw links to AAC, he thought it was really called "All About Cycles". By his own admission he has been practically run off of the motorcycle forums. For his outlandish ideas about how things work and his refusal to accept help in trying to change his thinking. I've tried but instead of giving up, I continue to try to get through to him.

O:
1) Talk about the pot calling the kettle black! - you seem to be spitting out a lot more trollish, unsupported criticisms than I am!.
I claim that motorcycle design is a hobby for me. - I have never been an official "motorcycle Engineer".
*Q/
He makes up his own formulas that have no real meaning in the context of mechanics. Using his own 'terms' for the formulas. He has no understanding of how even the simplest mechanical elements or machines work.
Q/*
O: Gross Generalisation! - you are letting your paranoia get out of hand! Take another pill!

My "terms" were for use in analogies and diagrammatic demonstrations. Some of them probably came form Information Systems classes, so they may be unfamiliar to "straight" mechanical engineering students/practitioners. However, I think the idea of a mechanism having a "state" and an "external reference frame" is quite OK, and useful. It is part of "black box" input and output analysis. - I don't know if that also is a term uses in "Mechanics" or Thermodynamics. Thermo is generally very "hot" on correctly identifying
system boundaries. Other terms I quite like are "rotation vectors"- that is really left-hand-screw rule,
I believe has some use in electro-magnetics? It takes a little thought and practice to correctly handle two or more rotating elements on a common axis. -surely that is not a foreign concept?
*Q/
By his own admission he has been practically run off of the motorcycle forums. For his outlandish ideas about how things work and his refusal to accept help in trying to change his thinking.Q/*
O: -mainly because my required medium usage is unsuited to those type of email lists. I am sure there forums where it doesn't cause a problem.
*Q/
I've tried but instead of giving up, I continue to try to get through to him. Q/*
I don't think I need to be "got through to",
, but it is nice that you are showing a bit of tolerance towards me.
(I still haven't sorted out these multiquotes. Are there instructions?)

(Problematic link removed by moderator. -dc)

 

@ Owen Nieuwenhuyse What exactly does your use of the bits," O:" mean in each of your replies? Just asking because I've never seen anybody use them in their replies but you. It must mean something, care to share?

O: I saw it on some kind of real-time chat thingie, like Messenger.
it is short for Owen:
I use it to separate my new line from the end of the quote sections.
You will see I use */ and *Q/ there as well for shorthand as start-of-block and end-of-block markers.
-Normally used for Comments in C and various Unix scripts, but it works ok for quotes.

 

BTW, it wasn't weave I was referring to, I was saying you get a form of amplitude at certain speeds because of the joints in the road which is vastly different than black top which has it's own dangers of road repairs and what not. When hot the road tar is like snot, slippery and just no fun. If you had a bike you would understand what I'm saying but, apparently you have no clue.

kv

 

(I still haven't sorted out these multiquotes. Are there instructions?

Haven't you told me your also a computer guy? To use the multi Quote, you left click and highlight the text you want to quote, there will then be a dropbox that lets you chose between 'quote and reply', chose quote and go to the next one you want. Then when you go to the reply box, the will be a little box on the left side under the reply box , click on that and the lines you want will show up with instructions.

O: I saw it on some kind of real-time chat thingie, like Messenger.
it is short for Owen:

You do realize this isn't one of those 'real-time chat thingies' don't you? Any of those 'chat thingies' I've used your post is in a different color .

 

I also once sniffed motorcycle exhaust if that helps?

That explains a lot.

 

When hot the road tar is like snot, slippery and just no fun.

Funny you should mention that. A few weeks ago I was following a friend who has his wife on the back. Exactly what happened, he caught some slick as snot hot road tar and almost dumped the bike and his wife. I missed hitting it by a few inches and slick as snot defines it well.

Ron

 

It's what you really really feel defines your beliefs and self associations on the subject that matters, so if you really feel like you're an expert on motorcycles and mechanical engineering then you obviously are and expert on motorcycles and mechanical engineering even if everything about you and your actions show the total opposite.

Pretty profound stuff. Seriously though I have been riding bike for a long time, a real long time and really haven't a clue how many miles are behind me but after all those years I still am learning things. The same is true for hand loading ammunition. I began hand loading in 1972 when I returned from Vietnam. I was never a sniper but always enjoyed shooting and developed this interest in what makes a very accurate rifle and ammunition. The same applies as with motorcycles in that I am still learning. Most people I have met who claim to be an expert at anything it seems are more proficient at lying and BS than much else.

Ron

 

Pretty profound stuff. Seriously though I have been riding bike for a long time, a real long time and really haven't a clue how many miles are behind me but after all those years I still am learning things. The same is true for hand loading ammunition. I began hand loading in 1972 when I returned from Vietnam. I was never a sniper but always enjoyed shooting and developed this interest in what makes a very accurate rifle and ammunition. The same applies as with motorcycles in that I am still learning. Most people I have met who claim to be an expert at anything it seems are more proficient at lying and BS than much else.

Ron

I tend to go with the 'Like recognizes like' gut feeling on what anyone claims. Too many times in my life now I have met people who are, somehow, certified experts that my and most other experienced people observations and gut feelings said they were anything but what their credentials and claims suggested they were.

Odds are I could see you get on a motorcycle and ride off and I would just know you have had years of experience on them. Same with you watching me. Odds are you could easily tell I have ridden over the years, but not regularly now, but am nowhere near to being an inexperienced newbee to operating one either. I won't jump on and haul ass out of a parking lot (not my style of riding anyway) nor am I going to tip the bike over in the parking lot rolling it backwards out of a parking space either.

 

BTW, it wasn't weave I was referring to, I was saying you get a form of amplitude at certain speeds because of the joints in the road which is vastly different than black top which has it's own dangers of road repairs and what not. When hot the road tar is like snot, slippery and just no fun. If you had a bike you would understand what I'm saying but, apparently you have no clue.

kv

O: our roads don't have joints or grooves They are plain tarmac.
The only time the tar melts here is if the road repairers use the wrong mix.
The usual temperature range is from zero deg C to 35 deg C. At present it is around 17 deg C,
and that is mid-winter for us.-raining.
Long-distance motorway cruising doesn't happen here, as motorways are quite short- it only
takes half an hour to go from one end to the other.

 

v c

Haven't you told me your also a computer guy? To use the multi Quote, you left click and highlight the text you want to quote, there will then be a dropbox that lets you chose between 'quote and reply', chose quote and go to the next one you want. Then when you go to the reply box, the will be a little box on the left side under the reply box , click on that and the lines you want will show up with instructions.
*** will try-I suppose I could have tried it with this.** -I wasn't brought up with graphical interfaces, or "Mice" ?

*Q/
You do realize this isn't one of those 'real-time chat thingies' don't you? Any of those 'chat thingies' I've used your post is in a different color .

... or magazine interview articles, so you can tell who is speaking.-several varieties. It is generally me, so I could use
any kind of marker, I suppose.
I am used to using text arrow-indent quotes, where the indenting can contain several conversations.
The email software generally inserts the arrows.

 

I tend to go with the 'Like recognizes like' gut feeling on what anyone claims. Too many times in my life now I have met people who are, somehow, certified experts that my and most other experienced people observations and gut feelings said they were anything but what their credentials and claims suggested they were.

Odds are I could see you get on a motorcycle and ride off and I would just know you have had years of experience on them. Same with you watching me. Odds are you could easily tell I have ridden over the years, but not regularly now, but am nowhere near to being an inexperienced newbee to operating one either. I won't jump on and haul ass out of a parking lot (not my style of riding anyway) nor am I going to tip the bike over in the parking lot rolling it backwards out of a parking space either.

O:Last bike I had, I was not comfortable doing a foot-down straight-line launch with it. My sense of balance
has dropped off a bit in my '50s-60's . I do alright if I can launch in a curve, like with coming out of a petrol (gas)
station. That bike was around the 250kgs mark (550 kgs). I either need a lighter bike or training wheels
to be comfortable with riding again. It could very well be a very small bike, something I can squeeze into
my monthly budget-similar to car parts costs. I shall see.

 

This thread is treading on very thin ice. This may be great fun for some, but the bickering and name calling needs to stop.

 

(mystery note better left uncomposed?)-crashes when the cat walks on the keyboard.

Good point!
"Man who says it cannot be done shall not stop the man doing it." -Dave Wilton, Aspect Electronics
Lack of Understanding and Genius are often confused!! (by whom, for what?)

 

Beautiful morning here in the Cleveland, Ohio SE suburbs. My wife and I are going to a local part of the national parks to get a senior park pass before the cost go up, may as well take advantage of the still low senior citizen price. Since it is beautiful outside this morning may as well take the bike and riding through the local park system is always a nice ride.

Ron

 

Beautiful morning here in the Cleveland, Ohio SE suburbs. My wife and I are going to a local part of the national parks to get a senior park pass before the cost go up, may as well take advantage of the still low senior citizen price. Since it is beautiful outside this morning may as well take the bike and riding through the local park system is always a nice ride.

Ron

I can't show my bike until I delete enough pictures in Photobucket. They only allow 50 pics otherwise you pay, not going to do it.

Whatcha got Ron?

kv

 

This thread is treading on very thin ice. This may be great fun for some, but the bickering and name calling needs to stop.

So what your saying is, "let the new guy make up all of his own mechanical and engineering terms and formulas, and still try and give him help?" The forum insists on conventional terms and formulas when disusing other things, why not this? Showing him where he is totally wrong about things isn't working so well, and don't see where anyone is calling names.

 

Please do not put words in my (figurative) mouth.

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Now please, if there any more productive discussion of the thread's original theme to be, please commence with doing so.

 

So what your saying is, "let the new guy make up all of his own mechanical and engineering terms and formulas, and still try and give him help?" The forum insists on conventional terms and formulas when disusing other things, why not this? Showing him where he is totally wrong about things isn't working so well, and don't see where anyone is calling names.

In an earlier post you referred to this member as a Troll, but I can't dispute your resolution. BTW, pointing out @shortbus name calling is productive but however you may school me if I'm out of order because I can't reference the Terms of Service as well you.

kv

 

I can't show my bike until I delete enough pictures in Photobucket. They only allow 50 pics otherwise you pay, not going to do it.

Whatcha got Ron?

kv

My current ride, like me, is retro. Driving a 1992 Harley Davidson Electro-Glide.


Bike had only 5,500 original miles which considering a '92 was sweet and I bought it going into a winter so I got a nice price. Originally I wanted to remove the funky chrome front disk covers but have grown fond of them. Anything I remove that is original equipment I keep set aside. Had a nice ride in the park and tonight is Bike Night at the local Quaker Steak & Lube so we will likely head over there. They host a nice Bike Night and really good food, especially the wings. Not unusual to have a few thousand bikes turn out.

Think I mentioned that recently I rode a little Honda Rebel and I am tempted to find a nice used one as that little bike was a blast to ride. Would be fun to have a smaller bike to tool around on and it would help keep the mileage down on the road bike. NIce to be retired and have the time for the hobbies and be healthy enough to enjoy my hobbies. Just wish I could easily manage all my range shooting gear on the bike.

Ron